R200 Bearing Needed

johnc · October 28th, 2009, 02:44 PM

I'm starting this thread to find a source for a bearing in the long nose R200 that's NLA here in the USA. I don't need one right now but at some point this is going to be a problem for all of us. The Nissan part number is: 38335-M3220 and the part number on the bearing is: 83601-ASH.

If someone has a source, please post it here. Also, if a better bearing number can be referenced, please post it here. I was able to find on of these bearings by the bearing number listed above, but its in Sydney. You folks in OZ have the last new one that I know of.

A similar bearing for the R190 has been NLA for some time and, unfortunately, those units that need the bearing are being scrapped or other units are being scavenged to get replacements.

JMortensen · October 28th, 2009, 04:22 PM

If it is the ball bearing at the front of the pinion shaft (the one that usually goes bad), the 280ZX part number was superseded by the 300ZX part number and is still available last I heard. Was discussed a while back and I think zcarnut came up with the new part #.

JMortensen · October 28th, 2009, 04:22 PM

Just remembered someone here also had a ceramic bearing made, so there is another option for you.

zcarnut · October 28th, 2009, 04:29 PM

We have discussed this issue before John and here was my response:

The R200 input bearing (Nissan PN 38335-N3100 or 38335-N3220) is a Koyo type 83601A. It is a single row deep groove ball bearing with dimensions of OD = 73mm, ID = 28mm and a length of 16mm. I talked to a Koyo engineer about this bearing a few years ago and he informed me that this bearing was specifically made just for Nissan.

My suggestion would to use another bearing and have a collar machined for it so the combination could be used in place of the 38335-N3100 bearing. An SKF type 62/28 bearing has the dimensions of OD = 58mm, ID = 28mm and a length of 16mm. So you would require a collar with an OD of 73mm and an ID of 58mm and alength of 16mm. The collar could be press fitted to the 62/28 bearing or secured with set screws.

zcarnut · October 28th, 2009, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMortensen

Just remembered someone here also had a ceramic bearing made, so there is another option for you.

Jon is right. I had forgotten about the input bearing being rebuilt with ceramic ball bearings:

http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=130782

JMortensen · October 28th, 2009, 05:37 PM

From that other thread looks like you could still get part number 38335-N3220 a year ago.

zcarnut · October 28th, 2009, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMortensen

From that other thread looks like you could still get part number 38335-N3220 a year ago.

I ordered a 38335-N3220 in May 2009 and got it from my local Nissan dealer.

John, are you ordering the correct number? It's 38335-N3220 and not 38335-M3220. I thought the "M" in your number was just a typo.

ezzzzzzz · October 28th, 2009, 06:25 PM

Contact Todd Wagner at Tidewater Z Auto Service (757-868-6753). I believe he has the only ones (4 or 5) available in the US at this time. I just had a R200 built for my 240Z and it took quite a while to acquire the bearings. We were first sent an incorrect bearing in the properly marked box. This is a unique bearing as stated. I haven't researched for a comparable bearing to fit using shims or whatever. I'd be very reluctant to use anything other than a deep groove bearing. Nissan engineers did this for a purpose.

zcarnut · October 29th, 2009, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ezzzzzzz

...I haven't researched for a comparable bearing to fit using shims or whatever. I'd be very reluctant to use anything other than a deep groove bearing. Nissan engineers did this for a purpose.

The 62/28 bearing I mentioned in post 4 is a deep grove bearing.

johnc · October 29th, 2009, 09:36 AM

Sorry, the "M" was a writo (a typo with a pen) when I was writing the information down.

NZeder · November 4th, 2009, 02:33 AM

NissanParts.cc still prices up the part so that usually means it is still available from Nissan - usually.

I was the one who found the 38335-N3220 partnumber after spending a few hours looking over the Nissan parts catalogues I have. That partnumber is used on the YS31 Nissan Cedric/Gloria from Aug-92 up to Aug-99. I am surprised all the stock has been used up already - given the old S30 partnumber was available for almost 30 years I would have thought the SY31 partnumber should have some stock left after just 10 years.

SHADY280 · November 7th, 2009, 05:30 AM

there is a local bearing place near me, they seem to get all the wierd bearings somehow, ill phone monday and check the koyo number and see if anything they can get crossed over for you guys. this bearing shop has saved my butt too many times.

SHADY280 · November 13th, 2009, 06:23 PM

tried the koyo number, no luck, but i figured that would happen, im gonna give them the dimensions, maybe they have another.

October 28th, 2009, 02:44 PM	#1
johnc Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: La Habra, CA Posts: 6,375 Blog Entries: 1	R200 Bearing Needed I'm starting this thread to find a source for a bearing in the long nose R200 that's NLA here in the USA. I don't need one right now but at some point this is going to be a problem for all of us. The Nissan part number is: 38335-M3220 and the part number on the bearing is: 83601-ASH. If someone has a source, please post it here. Also, if a better bearing number can be referenced, please post it here. I was able to find on of these bearings by the bearing number listed above, but its in Sydney. You folks in OZ have the last new one that I know of. A similar bearing for the R190 has been NLA for some time and, unfortunately, those units that need the bearing are being scrapped or other units are being scavenged to get replacements. __________________ John Coffey johnc@betamotorsports.com BetaMotorsports, LLC Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our HybridZ dead! In deciding for those who cannot decide, Or educating those who will not listen, There's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of indecision and ignorance blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood... ...Follow your spirit, and upon this charge, Cry "God for HybridZ, Datsun, and Horsepower!"

October 28th, 2009, 04:22 PM	#2
JMortensen HybridZ Supporter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 9,502	If it is the ball bearing at the front of the pinion shaft (the one that usually goes bad), the 280ZX part number was superseded by the 300ZX part number and is still available last I heard. Was discussed a while back and I think zcarnut came up with the new part #. __________________ Jon Mortensen www.m2differentials.com No, we don't have any Z differential parts (yet). We have gears, lockers, limited slips, axles, etc for most American vehicles.

October 28th, 2009, 04:22 PM	#3
JMortensen HybridZ Supporter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 9,502	Just remembered someone here also had a ceramic bearing made, so there is another option for you. __________________ Jon Mortensen www.m2differentials.com No, we don't have any Z differential parts (yet). We have gears, lockers, limited slips, axles, etc for most American vehicles.

October 28th, 2009, 04:29 PM	#4
zcarnut Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville AL Posts: 727	We have discussed this issue before John and here was my response: The R200 input bearing (Nissan PN 38335-N3100 or 38335-N3220) is a Koyo type 83601A. It is a single row deep groove ball bearing with dimensions of OD = 73mm, ID = 28mm and a length of 16mm. I talked to a Koyo engineer about this bearing a few years ago and he informed me that this bearing was specifically made just for Nissan. My suggestion would to use another bearing and have a collar machined for it so the combination could be used in place of the 38335-N3100 bearing. An SKF type 62/28 bearing has the dimensions of OD = 58mm, ID = 28mm and a length of 16mm. So you would require a collar with an OD of 73mm and an ID of 58mm and alength of 16mm. The collar could be press fitted to the 62/28 bearing or secured with set screws. __________________ Steve Golik Huntsville, AL 1970 240Z HLS30-01841 1974 260Z 3.1 liter 1979 810 Hardtop 3.0 liter "30 years of Z car ownership"

October 28th, 2009, 05:37 PM	#6
JMortensen HybridZ Supporter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 9,502	From that other thread looks like you could still get part number 38335-N3220 a year ago. __________________ Jon Mortensen www.m2differentials.com No, we don't have any Z differential parts (yet). We have gears, lockers, limited slips, axles, etc for most American vehicles.

October 28th, 2009, 06:25 PM	#8
ezzzzzzz Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 778	Contact Todd Wagner at Tidewater Z Auto Service (757-868-6753). I believe he has the only ones (4 or 5) available in the US at this time. I just had a R200 built for my 240Z and it took quite a while to acquire the bearings. We were first sent an incorrect bearing in the properly marked box. This is a unique bearing as stated. I haven't researched for a comparable bearing to fit using shims or whatever. I'd be very reluctant to use anything other than a deep groove bearing. Nissan engineers did this for a purpose. __________________ Mark G '71 240Z modified '61 Land Rover 109" 5-door '71 Land Rover 88" IIA heavily modified '84 Land Rover 110" 5-door '00 Xterra (factory crap but functional) Too many projects to list!

October 29th, 2009, 09:36 AM	#10
johnc Administrator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: La Habra, CA Posts: 6,375 Blog Entries: 1	Sorry, the "M" was a writo (a typo with a pen) when I was writing the information down. __________________ John Coffey johnc@betamotorsports.com BetaMotorsports, LLC Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more, Or close the wall up with our HybridZ dead! In deciding for those who cannot decide, Or educating those who will not listen, There's nothing so becomes a man As modest stillness and humility; But when the blast of indecision and ignorance blows in our ears, Then imitate the action of the tiger: Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood... ...Follow your spirit, and upon this charge, Cry "God for HybridZ, Datsun, and Horsepower!"

November 4th, 2009, 02:33 AM	#11
NZeder Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 606	NissanParts.cc still prices up the part so that usually means it is still available from Nissan - usually. I was the one who found the 38335-N3220 partnumber after spending a few hours looking over the Nissan parts catalogues I have. That partnumber is used on the YS31 Nissan Cedric/Gloria from Aug-92 up to Aug-99. I am surprised all the stock has been used up already - given the old S30 partnumber was available for almost 30 years I would have thought the SY31 partnumber should have some stock left after just 10 years. __________________ 76 RS30 260z 改RB26 N/A 霞 Previous 70 HS30-00016 240z 72 HS30 240z Ｌ型 2.8 71 HS30 240z Ｌ型改3.2 79 HS130 280zx 82 HS130 280zx T top 2x 73 KP710 160JSSS 74 KB210 120Y Coupe 71 510 1600 Deluxe

November 7th, 2009, 05:30 AM	#12
SHADY280 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: MISSION Posts: 199	there is a local bearing place near me, they seem to get all the wierd bearings somehow, ill phone monday and check the koyo number and see if anything they can get crossed over for you guys. this bearing shop has saved my butt too many times. __________________ Canadian zeds go faster.......colder air

November 13th, 2009, 06:23 PM	#13
SHADY280 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: MISSION Posts: 199	tried the koyo number, no luck, but i figured that would happen, im gonna give them the dimensions, maybe they have another. __________________ Canadian zeds go faster.......colder air

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