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![]() Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Welcome to my project, for whatever reason named "Hugo" This story begins somewhere here and there. "There" being the first time I saw Darius bad a§§ 240z tearing up the streets. Guess he's to blame anyway. A friend in Sydney, Australia, is to blame as well. Got acquainted with his first 240z when visiting aussie-land for a 4 month long vacation. That Z was pretty much stock. Orange. Sweet enough! After me bumming around the country for a month or two - George (that's the Z-holics name) - let me know that he'd sold the 240 and gotten... Another 240z. This one sporting custom wishbones, a V8, custom fuel cell, etc etc. How could I not be hooked? I just had to get one of my own! This is where I ran into problem No.1 - There aren't any 240z's in Sweden. Well, there are - but they're pretty rare and don't often come on sale, and if they do, they're a bit pricy. What to do? Import of course. Me and Ebay are friends, so that's where I headed. Found me a black 1971 240z that I thought would be an ok object to start out with. I bought it and had it shipped to Sweden. While in Gothenburg harbour, some smart a§§ ran a forklift into my Z This dented the hood, crippled the right front fender and light bucket - breaking its cover. Yay! Or maybe not. Anyway. I got the car back to Stockholm, after driving it there (about 350 miles) at 25 mph due to the transporter not performing its very best... Then came the tear-down. Lots of interesting materials were found. Not much of it was metal. Tons of bondo, fiberglass, epoxy, etc. The floors had been patched up with pieces of sheet metal - riveted and screwed (regular philips head scres) to stay put. On top of this mess was fiberglass. The car had lived its life in Missouri, and it was probably happy to see Chicago and a way out - cause man, this Z turned out to be pretty rotten (which was funny cause the ebay auction said "NO RUST"). I'm a bit tired, writing this, and I'm sure most of you will just skip straight to the pictures and vids anyway - so I'll keep it pretty shirt from here. The body was stripped and send to sand blasting. It came back from sand blasting. It went south, to Swedish Composite Engineering (www.sce.se), where the likes of Michael and Richard were to bring the Z back to life. You might think "What the heck has 'composite engineering' to do with panel beating and rust repairs?". The answer is that Richard also works as a sheet metal worker (mostly doing roof jobs - church-roofs/details, etc) and therefore pretty handy with fabricating parts and welding. Later on SCE will support the project with custom carbon fiber parts. For instance, the dashboard has been restored by permanently glueing a dash cap to the original (which looked like utter crap) and then sanding out the major differences in height - after which fiberglass bondo was added, sanded down and a little more bondo was added, and sanded down. And so on. It's now ready for paint - in order to make a mold - to make a carbon dash. More parts, like the rear hatch, hood, center console, etc - will hopfully also see molds and carbon fiber copys made. Still a bit of time before the project gets that far. I'll keep the car looking pretty stock - keeping the side skirts, front air dam and hatch wing that came with the car. Rear flares will most likely be added to accomodate a wide set of 18" tall rims/wheels. Not much else will be left stock. The plan is to switch all gauges from original to Autometer Pro Comp Ultra Lite. Throw out the old engine/gearbox and replace it with a RB26 with a RB25 gearbox. How original eh? This is part of the recipe: Modified RB26 N1 block. ARP studs for head and bottom end, modified cylinder head, Crower billet rods, wiseco pistons, Nismo bearings, N1 oil pump, N1 water pump, HKS steel gaskets everywhere. That's the start of it anyway. Responsible for putting the engine together is my sponsor, Performance by Z - pretty appropriate name eh? More to come on the engine. Project is still on rust repair... Speaking of which - special thanks to POR-15 Sweden for hooking me up with paint! And speaking of rust - after sand blasting - there wasn't much of a car left (as you'll see in the pictures). Yeah, well... Bla bla bla. Check out the movies (they'll STREAM) and have a look at the pictures to get an idea of where the project is at now. Cheers /Philip ——Pictures (some of 'em)—— 1: Car arrives in Gothenburg 2: Teardown ![]() 3: Somewhat... Stripped ![]() 4: Sand blasting ![]() 5: Not much Z left ![]() ![]() ![]()
Last edited by mull; December 16th, 2005 at 04:59 PM. |
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very nice!
gonna be a nice car! mike |
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![]() Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Springfield Missouri & Newport Coast Ca.
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Firstly.....WELCOME to HB-Z family of enthusiasts. Next....I am not laughing AT you,rather WITH you about the rust on that car !!! HOLY CRAP ! I've lived here in Missouri for the better part of my life and have only seen rusty Z's like that come from New York or the East coast primarily affected from the chemicals and salt products they spread to aid in the melting of ice and snow.
Even my early 70 Z's look like diamonds compared ......but it looks like your going to be able to save her and thats all that counts right now with their scarcity over there. There are several of us here in the US and abroad doing the RB26DETT swaps into our S30's and doing all of the killer upgrades. It seems to be a common dream to bring to life these days and we wish you the best in your project. BTW.....I really dug your video's .....thats a really neat way of catalogueing your new experiance.I was laughing while watching some parts. You made it interesting to watch. I'll stay tuned with your efforts !! ...............Vinny 8)
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70 240Z - Widebody RB26DETT AWD Carbon Fiber body 68 2000 - Roadster,V6 turbo,steel flares 73 240Z - 3.0,T3/T04E,Tial 40mm,Wolf-3D,Veilside17x9.5 74 260Z - T4/T3,44 Solex,C/F airbox,ZG's,G-nose,Scarab wing Last edited by Vintage-TechZ; December 16th, 2005 at 05:52 PM. |
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![]() Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Irving,TX
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It's a good thing that you got some sponsors, i think all that rust just sucked up most of your budget. It looks like it's going to be a nice car when you get done. I look forward to more videos too, maybe you can make a DVD movie and sell it as the "Chronicles of Hugo". Good luck
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![]() Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: North America
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wow, who knew rust repair could be so entertaining. nice vids, good luck with your project!, I definitely look forward to seeing more pictures and videos.
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Location: NC
Posts: 1,219
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Incredable progress. Can't wait to see more updates.
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![]() Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: British Columbia(west Canada)
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Great project and welcome to the forum!
I am inspired because my Z is about as rotten as yours. I did pretty much the same thing, whole-car media blasting, then coat it with Rust Bullet(similar to POR15). Now I need body work done. BTW I absolutely enjoyed your videos! |
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Location: British Columbia(west Canada)
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Just finished watching all of them. You are probably the first person ever to document the restoration process of a Z so thoroughly with videos.
I can't thank you enough for making/posting those videos. They are very entertaining and inspiring. I've learned a lot about general body work as well. Good luck with your project and keep them videos coming!!! |
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![]() Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: malaysia
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mull... awsome projet undertaking man... i wish i was as brave as you in stripping the entire car like that and sandblasting.. i'm affraind to find out the reality of my own cars body... great documantation and keep us posted with your progress... i wanted to do the same but work and time came in the way. i use my car daily and thats my only car so couldnt spedn too much time restoring and taking pictures.
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Wow! That is a project! My '70 is only about 25% that level, if even that much, and I was thinking that it is headed for a recycler eventually. That really puts things in perspective I guess. Nice work and dedication!
Question: Where did you get the rear lower skirt (valance) panel? I am looking at replacing mine. Is that the Motorsport Auto piece? Finally, great videos! Well done! Joshua |
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![]() Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: New Jersey
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Nice work Philip. That's a ton of work. Funny videos, especially when you refer back to the ebay ad stating "NO RUST" LOL. Ok, i just watched all the vids and i think i've got some flash from all the welding. Need to rest eyes
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![]() Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Bakersfield, CA
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WOW all I can say is I feel like one big sissy for complaining about some batter tray rust and small holes in the floorboard. I mean jeebus thats a lot of rust and crazily good fabrications skills. Thats awesome, great vids very informative motivates me somewhat to attempt to weld things nothing in particular just something
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![]() Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Wow! I'm overwhelmed from all the great/positive response!
![]() It's very rewarding to get this kind of feedback after putting alot of effort into filming, cutting, editing, searching for music, sound-FX, and of course going through a time and money-consuming restoration. Thanks alot you guys! ![]() Also, thanks for welcoming me to the forum - even though I've been a member since june 2003. Have'nt had much to post up until recently when I converted the vids from high quality divX into streaming wmv. I've tried posting my regular flicks (streetracing and such) in the divX format on different american and australian forums but the only kind of feedback I got there was whining about the connection - how slow it was. Looks like I should keep converting the rest of the vids. Guss it's better to have "normal" quality videos available without wait as oppose to big a§§ divX-files. Should you want them however, they're posted in my (swedish) project forum! (The threads that end with [film]) Once again, many thanks for the great feedback! Quote:
I got the panel from Charlie at Zedd Findings - I think he's the best person to talk to if you need panels. Great guy to deal with! • intro - http://www.datsunzparts.com/ • panels & stuff - http://www.datsunzparts.com/NewParts/bodyf.htm Last edited by mull; December 17th, 2005 at 01:39 AM. |
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![]() Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Portland, Or
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Awesome video's. I can't believe some of the things they used to repair that frame rail. Nothing says structural integrity like a nice hinge. Great work and keep the videos coming.
Anthony http://www.cardomain.com/ride/674663 |
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Location: Springfield Missouri & Newport Coast Ca.
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Philip,
Do you remember which town in Missouri you purchased this car from ? Its a small world really and I just may have known the previous owner of that Z. Seems remote....but thought I'd check. I know its a "no fault" sort of thing since the last owner just may not of had ANY real car skills to have seen evidence of PAST rust, hence the " no rust" Ebay listing. Your project documentation and enthusiasum has completly overshadowed the rust issue and should be inspiring to others who moan at the site of any rust ,let alone the amount your one car had. I joke when I say......" a couple more yards of new steel in her and you'd have a Camaro " lol. As I watched the vids, I reflected on how many Z's that I've welded new panels into over the last 20+ years in much the same way as your friend did and shook my head (amazed) that ALL of this was going into one Z...at once ! I cut up or crushed over 25 Z's over the years with a ton less rust in them than yours and never gave it a second thought until I saw you slaving so much Love into your Z. I have ,now,......SOME guilt about that.........but more anger towards the jerk who misrepresented the cars condition. Had I known you and also been aware of your Z enthusiasum....I'd have likely GIVEN you a rust free chasis to import and to set you light years into the build. But alas..........then your project wouldn't reflect all of the compounding enjoyment you and your friends are experiancing together today. I could have only DREAMED of having such qualified skilled friends around me instead of always doing it all alone or having to do their cars. You are truly blessed with the key ..........FRIENDSHIP ! .........Looking forward to the next VID. ..............Vinny
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70 240Z - Widebody RB26DETT AWD Carbon Fiber body 68 2000 - Roadster,V6 turbo,steel flares 73 240Z - 3.0,T3/T04E,Tial 40mm,Wolf-3D,Veilside17x9.5 74 260Z - T4/T3,44 Solex,C/F airbox,ZG's,G-nose,Scarab wing |
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![]() Join Date: May 2004
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WOW!!!!!!!!!
I cannot believe the rust and all the fiberglass on that car, unbelievable, but you went and took it on and it looks like it is really coming along very well, I must say great work on the car that you have done, its sure to be something very nice when you are finished with it. I also would like to compliment you on your videos they were a joy to watch. Good luck and keep the updates coming I cant wait to see the end of this project. |
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Location: Charlotte, NC, USA
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Cripes! That looks more like buckshot through paper than it does actual metal. Missouri and other states from the midwest/north are NOT the places you want to buy a Z from usually, but this is all water under the bridge.
I applaud you for going to such great measures to restore and modify your car. it will be the car you have always dreamed about when you finish---that I am sure of!! Keep up the great work Davy |
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![]() Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: san luis obispo
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What an eye opener. Truley inspiring.
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