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"123 Ignition" Distributor Replacement for Nissan L4/L6

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Scoping the interwebs for some information on my new Suzuki F6A Turbo, I ran across a neat replacement distributor which looks head and shoulders above the conventional Mallory Replacement.

It's programmable if you want it to be...

There's a bunch of YouTube Videos showing it on FairladyZ's and etc... Some nice video showing the old Hitachi Distributor it replaced, and if you understand Japanese, probably some nice technical discussion as well.

 

Sourced from The Netherlands, check it out, jump around the website they have distributors for most anything out there. Flying Magnet by the look of it. If someone NEEDS to keep the vintage distributor look, IMO this is loads better than a Unilite!

 

http://www.123ignition.nl/id/50.html

 

Looks like Paradise Parts is the US Distributor...

 

 
Paradise Parts
tel: 440-668-8164
[email protected]
www.123ignitionUSA.com
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They have one for the Datsun L.... Drop-In...

 

I found a japanese page showing it's application on the L6.

 

It was from there I noticed the ".nl" suffix going "AHA! Not a JDM Part, those crazy Dutchies again!" 

 

From there I found the actual manufacturer's site, and US Distributor. Just ask them for the Datsun L6 version.... I could link you to the You Tube Video, but if you search there it should show up.

 

And from there, you see, "I practice what I preach!"

 

Looks like a nice bit, and ALL NEW COMPONENTS... not a 'rebuilt' and not a Mallory Mechanical (which I never had good luck with anyway!)

 

I liked the boost-retard feature....this would make a quick and dirty period-correct looking turbo system very nice!

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I have been emailing the us supplier all day. They inform me that they currently do not have a unit for the datsun L series engines. Wierd. Anyways they asked me to take some pictures and measurements of the stock hitachi unit and they would get one in the works for me. I did explain the information provided by TonyD, but they said that they currently do not have datsun L series units, but they can make them available. I will keep ya'all posted with the information as i get it from 123ignitionsusa.

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SHOW 'EM THIS AND TELL 'EM "stuff this in your pipe and smoke it!"

 

http://youtu.be/zFV_KSLEn2c

 

http://youtu.be/WZO1e7o4qtc

 

http://youtu.be/xZtzAN05Lyw

 

The last one I think shows the Hitachi being taken apart and explaining how the mechanical advance works....and how the 123 is different.

 

I hate incompetent / ill informed distribution. I guess "I'll just order it from Japan then and you guys can suck it" would be an appropriate response after letting them view this....

 

So much for trying to be a 'good guy' and go through the 'authorised distribution channel'.... PERHAPS an e-mail to the DUTCH parent company is in order informing them of their local distributor failing to take steps to keep abreast of what is offered... I think the Dutch Overlords would take a dim view of incompetent / lackadaisical salesmanship... 

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I'm positive they do it for L6 since the owner in Nederlands is having one in his very own 240z. He's running the Monte Carlo Classic race every winter, I've met him a couple of times.

You should try to contact them directly to get some info.

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Ok so the us supplier is not going to be friendly so dont waist your time dealing with him. He laughed at the information TonyD has shared here on hbz. I will be giving the owners in the netherlands all my communication with the us supplier and get this mess straightened out after the new year...

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That appears to be not an official supplied product, Tony, that's why they don't have one.

 

That appears to be a retrofitted unit made by the aftermarket to the aftermarket...probably because the Dutchies don't have enough 240Z's running around to make it a stock item yet!

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I think at this point I'm going to wait to hear directly from the manufacturer to avoid any further confusion. I don't wish to spread any misinformation about this product or the company. The email I got said they will be out of the office until Jan 6th, so I wait. no worries :wink:

 

I believe that NewZed is on the right track with Xnke! only time will tell. thanks gentlemen for your input, and have merry holidays :wink: 

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Xnke, obviously you missed the part about the Netherlands entry running one in Europe... They market generics to niche marketers, the US guy obviously doesn't want to be bothered. There's no 'official' product except for the core dissy. Each one is made to fit whatever... If you call the "OFFICIAL DISTRIBUTOR" whatever they are making is "official"...Just they got a lame one here in the USA. As I said "pound sand and deal with the Japanese!" And want to lay money the guy, even though he turned him over to the Japanese will whine about any technical support he has to now give for the product which he is contractually obligated to support as the 'official distributor'??? 

 

The distributor they sell is a 'universal fit' and then adapted to various engines accordingly. The adapter pieces are not needing much warranty support, the base technical stuff if what will need support. 

 

This is what the rest of the world does, they have COMPETENT engineering works make custom-fit niche market parts for their universal fit base item. And they get all sorts of cooooool products (especially in Japan.) Hell, I noticed people reworking GM HEI for VW Type 1 Engines here using billet bottoms... since the bases are so cheap and the parts are so cheap, and it's a self-contained unit!

 

Go look at a VW Perlux, and then one from a Vega, or a Pinto, or a Chevette....or a Toyota L4 or Datsun L4.... the reluctor and pickup are identical and they fit on a little piece of metal made to fit each application. This is the ONLY way stuff like this makes any sense to produce. Make a generic core that is easily customizable to each niche application.

 

Where it falls down is the US Distributor can't perform basic machining or doesn't want to. While DAC in Japan has already gone to the trouble of making the pieces and showing how they fit on the Nissan L4 and L6 (distributor stand and drive are identical between the two, the ONLY difference is the generic distributor core placed onto them!)

 

Look at the Dutch Website, and the Links I gave.

 

As for getting anything done in Europe between Christmas and New Years: GOOD LUCK! I worked for a company that was based in Belgium, and they shut down between those two holidays completely. It was the ONE time a year I knew I would be home. Just pick it up after the new year. It's winter, its not racing season for most car owners in the northern hemisphere.

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Gentlemen

I have read your posts and concerns. Let me assure you, if I can source the parts from the Japanese supplier to put together a total package for you here in the US I will.

  However timing of your requests has made it difficult to respond in a timely manner. The mfg in the Netherlands does not make the fittings for the L4 and L6 engines. I have asked them directly. Of course one could always purchase the TUNE4 or Tune 6 straight away and make the conversion themselves. I am willing to go out on a limb here and say... for me to purchase those bits from Japan will add many dollars to the initial cost of the 123. And may make it cost prohibitive. However if we can convince the manufacturer to produce the parts needed as they have for the Kent engine and BMW engines it would be a great savings to you and any who come after you.

 So keep in mind the following, regardless of who you purchase from. The Tune products will work the best and are for non injected engines. If you have an electronicly injected engine then you will need what they call an IE version which has a trigger mechanism for the injection. But it is not tunable it has 16 pre mapped curves, most likely the GB6-R-V or GB4-R-V would offer curves closest to what you need here.This is a great product and is fairly new to the market. I think it was 2006 when I first heard of them and in 2007 I became a supplier.

  So I apologise if I have offended anyone. This is not intended to be a ploy for business. But since I have you all together it would be an opportunity to get on the same page.

Respectfully submitted

Ed

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I have decided to put my engineer brother and pc programming frineds onto my own ignition system. Things are going well and soon i hope to be able to supply my own distributor driven dual fire cop ignition system, fully programable and with boost retard capabilities!! Current progress now is the writing of the program while i figure out how to stuff all the electronics into a modified distributor with a oiding electronic signal cross talk. I will keep you all posted!!! This is not a joke people, its just going to take some time to work out all the bugs :-) i do have a working prototype as of now, but not currently pc controlled. Im just workig on how the signal inputs work with the pencil type cop coils...

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Gentlemen

I have read your posts and concerns. Let me assure you, if I can source the parts from the Japanese supplier to put together a total package for you here in the US I will.

However timing of your requests has made it difficult to respond in a timely manner. The mfg in the Netherlands does not make the fittings for the L4 and L6 engines. I have asked them directly. Of course one could always purchase the TUNE4 or Tune 6 straight away and make the conversion themselves. I am willing to go out on a limb here and say... for me to purchase those bits from Japan will add many dollars to the initial cost of the 123. And may make it cost prohibitive. However if we can convince the manufacturer to produce the parts needed as they have for the Kent engine and BMW engines it would be a great savings to you and any who come after you.

So keep in mind the following, regardless of who you purchase from. The Tune products will work the best and are for non injected engines. If you have an electronicly injected engine then you will need what they call an IE version which has a trigger mechanism for the injection. But it is not tunable it has 16 pre mapped curves, most likely the GB6-R-V or GB4-R-V would offer curves closest to what you need here.This is a great product and is fairly new to the market. I think it was 2006 when I first heard of them and in 2007 I became a supplier.

So I apologise if I have offended anyone. This is not intended to be a ploy for business. But since I have you all together it would be an opportunity to get on the same page.

Respectfully submitted

Ed

You good sir do not need to apologize. I made a mistake by taking the first post in this topic as good information. It was an error on behalf of the original poster and is slight mis-information. I made the mistake in trusting this information and did not do my own research in the matter before emailing you, thus our mis-communication. My error in judgement on mis-information will end up making me look like an international moron, and it is MY mistake not yours. Now that i have all the correct facts and done my homework in this matter, I apologize for the mistake. I trusted the information posted bt another forums member with out performing the proper research about the product!

Again I apologize to you, and I will end up apologizing to the dutchies about this. The product you make available is fantastic and I wish you the best of luck!!!

On a side note this has givin me the push to finish my own ignition system, so in the end I still get what I was originally after. Also I learned a valuable lesson, to err is human. Even the best people with the best intentions will make mistakes in posting errent information about a product or service without performing the proper research!!!!

Lesson learned- ALWAYS do your homework :-)

Good day sir and have happy hollidays!!!!

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 i figure out how to stuff all the electronics into a modified distributor with a oiding electronic signal cross talk.

If the focus is on tunable advance curves, wouldn't it be simpler to use an external box?  Miniaturizing is difficult, and could be the show-stopper.  Once you get the basic hardware and the code worked out, that could come later.  You could even strap it to the side like a ZX module instead of under the cap.

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