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#1 4.6 CobraZ

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 03:38 PM

Joined Hybridz, and just got my Z car today.

I built a nasty all alloy supercharged 4.6 for my 97 Cobra a few years ago and had crazy HP, basically fell in love with DOHC Modular motors.

For the 280Z I will be doing a NA Cobra motor (2001 Cobra), 300 HP in the Z will be fine I figure.

Looks like it's been done here (notheredave, yellowoctupus, and mitchnandy) so I will need to tap into their experience.

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 05:09 PM

Hey you and me both. I'll subscribe to this thread and we'll see who can get theirs on the road first. You have a 6 car head start though, since my list of operations has 6 other projects for me to finish before I get to this one, so I'll let you be the guinea pig, haha. I picked up an aluminator 4.6 32v that has burned valves (imagine that) so after rebuilding it with terminator internals and fixing the heads I'll plan on running the eaton for a while just like your setup. If you get yours running before mine you should post a vid to motivate me through the final stretch of my project list.

 

I don't know what you're doing for the transmission but I currently have an lt1 t56 for mine that I was going to try and adapt to the 4.6. For whatever reason everyone thinks the ford t56 has diamond internals and typically want too much money for them, and I picked up the lt1 t56 for a pretty good price.  I already have the ford bellhousing bolted up, and I know a lot of the high hp guys swap the 10 spline over to the 26 spline, which is what comes factory with the lt1 t56, so it has that going for it. What were you planning on for mounts?


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Posted 05 March 2015 - 03:07 PM

I'm going with a normally aspirated 4.6, like a 2001 Cobra motor. I don't want a modified hood. There are 3 other guys on this forum who did the 4.6 so I know they will fit. The lincoln Mark 8 motors are readily available so that's an option (super low profile intake on those motors). I'm hoping a 2001 Cobra intake will fit under the stock Z hood. I'll post the motor mount pics I got off this forum.

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 03:14 PM

Pics off this forum (on the Internet). 4.6 DOHC will fit. And a possible mount option is a modified Ford crossmember.

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 03:21 PM

My first Z parts score, super clean tail lights &100.00 off Denver Craigslist.

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 03:57 PM

That is going to be cool!! I went old school with a 5.0 out of a 90's mustang only because I knew it would fit and my car hauls ass. Not sure how you guys with big HP get any type of traction.

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 04:12 PM

The all alloy Terminator motor in my 97 Cobra was about 650 HP and even with 305's out back traction was non existent. For this Z project I'm looking at a much more sedate 4.6 (Lincoln Mark VIii motor with flat top Pistons and a 01 Cobra intake). Should come in around 300 HP. My 97 Cobra was stupid over the top (dropped $14K on the motor alone). I want something I can drive daily during the spring and summer.

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 06:03 PM

Oh gotcha, I saw the picture of the supercharged 4.6 and assumed that's what you were using, thinking you may plan to modify oil pan / engine mounting to drop the engine low enough to clear the hood with the eaton. I've followed yellowoctopus's build so yeah I was reassured the dohc will fit lol. I was planning on cutting mounts off a 2001 mustang gt shell I have and welding them to the Z, but was just curious what you had planned out already. Have you figured out what trans you're using yet?


1982 280zx -- 355/t56/3.9 R200 *Garage Queen* .............................................1972 240zt - T4, TEC II, 20psi *Garage Queen*

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#9 4.6 CobraZ

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 07:27 PM

Low budget and practical, T-45...

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 08:39 PM

So far so good on the T45 on my end.  The DOHC (NA) has basically the same torque output as the SOHC, so overall strength shouldn't be an issue between the two.  I definetly suggest you check out the clutch setup I'm using now. WAY easier to work with and those freakin' Wilwood pull cylinders suck.  They're just a crappy design and the o-rings wear out really fast.  Don't ask me how many times I had to drive home from work, or home at midnight from the airport or home from WHEREVER with no clutch!!!!!  (Oh yeah, and when they go, they really go.  At night, when the slave is coolest, all of your brake fluid sneaks by your shrunk o-rings (because the thermal expansion of rubber is higher than aluminum).

 

Anyhow, awesome to see some more mod motor guys out there.  The DOHC is definitely worth any extra bother in my opinion.  It pulls so well, right through 6k, where I didn't even know my ecu had a 6k rev limiter with the SOHC; the SOHC just fell on it's face after 5k.  Feel free to PM me if either of you guys have questions.


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Posted 06 March 2015 - 09:08 AM

I've read your thread top to bottom, pretty much why I joined this forum. I noticed a ton of SBC stuff but it took a little searching to find the 4.6 DOHC. I was gonna look for a 2001 or 97 to 98 Cobra motor but I actually think the Lincoln Mark 8 with its lighter weight nodular crank will save a few pounds and rev quicker. Also cheaper. Are you finding 300 HP to be sick enough or do you wish you had more? I'm wanting a spirited daily driver, not a super car.

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Posted 06 March 2015 - 09:58 AM

I have aviator motor in my 93 fox coupe (same as mach 1 minus the intake) I have a stock eaton on it at 9 PSI (one more PSI than stock) and it makes 660 whp 440 TQ. Eaton will stick through the hood. I picked up tyhe motor complete for 1000 from the wreckers. Mods are the twin 62mm tb and cai. 96 intake, and stock exhaust cams were used. Car runs 11.5@122 on 17' drag radials. Car weighs 3108 lbs no driver. Drop that setup in a datsun and it will be fun!



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Posted 06 March 2015 - 11:19 AM

I liked my 97 Cobra, and had similar HP as you (way too much power really) but I have to say after buying the Z it feels like a go cart, smallest car I've ever messed with. Hard to believe a DOHC Modular drops in. Really beautiful body lines too, pretty excited about this project.

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Posted 06 March 2015 - 11:56 AM

This is the route I want to go I hope the 2001 Cobra intake fits under the stock Z hood.

EDIT: concern addressed, notheredave (pic2) has a similar intake in his Z (93 Mark 8?), looks like an 01 Cobra intake will work.

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Posted 06 March 2015 - 12:20 PM

I'm pretty sure the intake on the 96 to 98 Cobra motors are too high for a stock Z hood. Or a Ford style scoop is an option I guess.

EDIT: Concern addressed, mitchnandy (pic 3) has done this.

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Posted 06 March 2015 - 10:48 PM

I've done this swap. Check out my picture gallery.



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 09:52 AM

Wow, thanks, exactly why I joined this forum. Having been there done that anything you would approach different if starting fresh?

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Posted 07 March 2015 - 04:08 PM

The thing I would do differently is to not take breaks from working on it. I would take a couple months off and forget what I was doing, especially the electronics.

 

My objectives were to keep the stock appearance (more or less), no hood modification, keep the center of gravity low and keep the engine as far toward the rear as possible. This is gonna be a track car, it is nearly there.



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Posted 07 March 2015 - 05:06 PM

Looked at all 30 of your pictures. Do you have any of your steering rod, and do you think some shorty block hugging headers will clear the frame rails? I think my biggest concerns with my swap are exhaust and steering.

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Posted 08 March 2015 - 10:22 AM

Stock steering on mine, with cast Cobra manifolds.  Getting an oil filter out is TIGHT, but it will fit.  I also didn't have to cut my oil sending unit casting as I've seen one or two others do.   Not sure why they did...

 

Exhaust, have fun.  Drivers side is cake, passenger's side is going to take a while to get those first 8" done. After that, no problem.


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