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Zetsaz    4

Neat show! I didn't know we had any like that in Utah. 

 

And another member in Logan! Never thought I'd see the day. Most of my car shenanigans will be happening in Logan, but I'm in Washington for my teaching job right now. I'm not sure I'll bother updating until I actually get the car up here. Anything I buy I'm still gonna be shipping to Logan. 

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Zetsaz    4

I actually know 2 other Z owners here in Logan, one is a co-worker and has a early '70 240z in storage, the other is a dentist friend of mine that is building a dedicated autocross 260z.

 

You don't mean orthodontist do you? Dr. Guymon was mine and he has a green 260z.

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Dude tell me more about this tinners show, I'm in Logan and never heard of it. Great project by the way, mine was in Hailey Idaho for $350, weird how there are some great card from up north.

haha dang that is a steal!! I'm not sure what shape yours was in when you picked it up but 350 bucks is hard to beat!

 

and the show is really rad, If you haven't then for sure check out jdmlegends.com, he restores classic japanese cars for a living right here in utah and they are awesome! But I'm pretty sure it's him that hold the event, its pretty small and not a lot of people know about it but it's getting bigger! theres a page called utah japanese classic cars on facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/738108372880013/ ) and it usually gets posted in there before it happens. actually, I'm sure you've both seen Gord's 2009 240z build thread, he in insanely detailed and gifted in his craftsmanship. but second to last page this guy posts some pics of his car, almost at the bottom of the page. the red rb swap 240 post by "stony", that dude is a utah local and at least one of the pictures he posted was at tinners, in the spot he always is in haha.

 

http://forums.nicoclub.com/2009-240z-build-t403961-870.html

 

check it out, but the show happens in sandy/midvale area right down the street from my fiances! you both should come next year if chance permits it!

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I am terribly behind on updating. I have been really focusing on getting the car ready for paint, the guy is actually coming tomorrow to quote me on the job! I've got a few people but I figured searching around would not be a bad thing. I've got a bunch of pictures too, so hope it helps.

first things first, I got some packages!! I bought the black dragon auto weatherstripping kit, I'll have to post my thoughts about the install later but for now I'm excited to have it! I also took some pictures of my paint boxes, because that also excites me, probably more so than the weatherstripping.

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also, I'm making a custom shift knob out of old skateboards as a knod to one of my favorite hobbies. this is the stack of board wood glued together, I need to cut and shape it down but it will be awesome when it's done, I've posted what I want it to look like in the past.

 

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I put my little brother to work washing the radiator and gas tank. I also had him chip some sound deadening away and take out the steering wheel haha. child labor!

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now, onto the harness.
 

I took out the rest of the wiring, slowly taking photos as I went so I knew where every single piece connected to on a stock L24 setup (as that's what I have for the time being). I figure if anybody needs some visual aid on putting their bay back together this might help, and i know I will use it soon haha. I'm just going to post the pictures because some of the parts I'm not sure of their name. Hope this helps somebody in the future!

 

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then part of the window washer pump. also, I broke the crap out of the bottle when I grabbed it, the plastic had seen better days haha. I'll look later but does black dragon sell new tanks and such?
 

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also removed the clutch master cylinder, i think I left it on in this pic to show where it goes and such.

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I've wondered for a while now why my passenger side is more rusted, as I was taking pictures of the harness going through the wall I figured out why. there is a hole going through my firewall into my passenger front wheel well. makes sense now haha.

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a few days later I got home from a recent business trip and started by starting to sand down the car in prep for paint, as well as removing some windows and all the trim. all easy stuff to remove, I should've taken pics for anyone having trouble but for the top trim to take it and kinda twist the bottom out and up a little at the time, gently so you don't bend it of course. then work your way down. there's also plastice tools you can get to aid that process without risk of scratching your good chrome.

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anyway, today I want to get the door handles and such off and sand the rest of the car down to it's primer mostly. wish me luck!! it's so close to paint!!!

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1969honda    1

Looking good man, thanks for the show info.  I got mine with no engine, just parts (junk head, smog pump, etc...) and supposedly a recently rebuilt 4 speed.  The interior isn't to bad, cracked dash and usual stuff but the rust doesn't appear to bad at the moment.  I'll find out more hopefully this winter when it's living in the garage and I have more time to work on it.  I threw a build thread up but I should probably have the admin's move it over to the member's project section.  http://forums.hybridz.org/topic/121186-midnight-madness-560z/page-2; might change directions initially and try to get everything put together in "stock" form but use a late 2006+ fx45 intake manifold with the dual intake tract, we'll see.

 

Good luck with the painting and everything!

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I'll have to check, but I believe I have an extra washer bottle. If I do you know the drill. ..lol

 

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Dan!

 

Thanks man, I'm debating buying this one off of ebay. 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WINDSHIELD-WASHER-TANK-KIT-AND-PUMP-FIT-DATSUN-510-1600-240Z-260Z-280Z/262064922053?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33601%26meid%3D8048ea381cda49c69583fa82cb4bc250%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D311438526697

 

it's weird because it's liek the exact one I took out but it says it's not compatible for my year? not sure, but it comes witha  new pump and looks spot on to what I had so I'm probably gonna risk it. I'll let you know if it ends up not working! Thanks for the offer!

 

 

Looking good man, thanks for the show info.  I got mine with no engine, just parts (junk head, smog pump, etc...) and supposedly a recently rebuilt 4 speed.  The interior isn't to bad, cracked dash and usual stuff but the rust doesn't appear to bad at the moment.  I'll find out more hopefully this winter when it's living in the garage and I have more time to work on it.  I threw a build thread up but I should probably have the admin's move it over to the member's project section.  http://forums.hybridz.org/topic/121186-midnight-madness-560z/page-2; might change directions initially and try to get everything put together in "stock" form but use a late 2006+ fx45 intake manifold with the dual intake tract, we'll see.

 

Good luck with the painting and everything!

 

yeah no problem on the info! I can't wait till more people know about it! I was checking out your build but none of the photobucket pictures are working for me, I can't see them! did they lose their link? or are they private maybe? and that is definitely a unique engine, the infiniti fx45?

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I'll double check the photobucket links, enginee is a vk56de from a titan.

interesting, I'm interested to see that when it's done!!

 

 

Interesting washer bottle/motor. I know Black Dragon Auto sells universal ones (they specialize in Z parts), but I don't know how the fit compares. The ones at Black Dragon are $20

dang thanks for the heads up! they look pretty similar, but shoot why not buy from black dragon!

 

 

ok everyone, sorry for the delay. I've got a bunch to update cuz I've been too lazy to post anything haha.

 

I've got a ton don the past couple days! I don't even know where to begin. I guess first of all, I got a bunch more sanded down but then my paint guy told me I should just get it blasted, so I'm debating on sandblasting or dustless. Does anyone have any experience with dustless blasting? I'm worried about how the paint will stick afterwards. Let me know if you know a bit about it!

 

I also got some rubber sheets. I'm going to attempt to make taillight gaskets rather than spend 80 bucks on a set, it just seems pricey haha. I'll have to keep you updated on the prices, but here is the link if anyone is feeling adventurous!

 

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I'm just going to talk about a couple of quick highlights and post all the pictures haha.

 

I got the doors taken apart, the windows out. I also took out the rear window, but I broke the bologna out of my windshield, so a new one for that! too bad though!

 

 

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I also pulled out the headliner and as much of the side lining as I could. I need to get the windshield out first but it's a start. I also got the sun shades and crap out.

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also, while taking out the windows I pulled out the trim on everything. with the over the door trim it was easier to grab at teh rear end of the trim from under and pull out and up slowly and deliberately to not bend it, and just really slowly work my way forward. the chrome in the door is held together by 6 (?) 10mm bolts that you take them all out, then i pushed the front end down while pulling the rear end out of the door and following suite with the front. I got pictures of it all but I must've deleted them as I cannot find them anywhere haha.

 

the hatch trim and windshield trim you remove the corner pieces, then I scraped along the edges to get the gunk out of the way to make it less risky, don't want to bend the trim! then I just went under each piece as flat as I could and pushed down the line and popped it up.

 

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I gave up after 3 break points haha

I did a bunch of weld grinding down. you can see how good it looks when the spot welds are flat on the flares. I'll need to seal them but for now this'll do!

 

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Nice piece of cancer I'll need to replace.

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Here are some pics of my engine area, I pulled most of the front apart in prep for the blasting. I broke almost every bolt too. Joy.

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I also noticed that my z mustve been in a front driver's side collision. It has a plastic headlight scoop rather than the metal on the oppsite side and some good denting. I took a hammer to it and here are some before and after, and comparison pics of the other side.

 

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still needs some work but it looks a ton better
 
got the driveline out, the rear tank hoses out (Can anyone tell me how the duece to get the funnel out?? the big black one that you actually pour the gas into). I also got the transmission and engine all unbolted and now it sits, waiting for me to borrow an engine hoist and pull her out!

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and one last question. drained the tranny oil, noticed the metal shavngs on the magnetic bolt. is this something to be alarmed about? or is it normal wear for the z car? I'm leaning towards normal wear, due to no large chunks and it drove fine, no slipping. better clutch that my DD.

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As far as snapping a bunch of bolts, there are a couple of places that sell stainless bolt kits for the Z, unfortunately my old age is preventing me from remembering their names. But I'm sure someone else will chime in.

I've found a few places with those bolts, what I'm having a hard time finding are the nut insert things that the bolts screw into. They look like this, but I can't find any z specific. does anyone know of any? if not I'll probably buy some like these and fabricate a bit. I imagine I can get the same threading I have so that shouldn't be an issue.

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1969honda    1

I can't see a picture of the exact threaded insert your looking for, but hit up grainger, fastenal or mcmaster-carr and look for nut inserts, rivet-nuts , j-nuts or panel fasenters. They'll have any thread you could want.   I think Harbor freight might even have a cheap threaded insert kit with the tool, yep here's a link; down side to this kit isit is for standard and not metric threads so you'll have to change hardware.

 

Nut inserts in my experience tend to spin in their mounting holes if you try to tighten them down to much, so if it's something that requires a little muscle I would use weld nuts (little flat threaded tabs you can spot weld on the back side) or tack a regular nut to the back of what ever you are installing.

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Zetsaz    4

I have rot on the same spot in my passenger fender that I didn't get a chance to fix before leaving home. Driver side was perfect strangely. I tried fabing my own patch panel, but with the way the bottom side requires extra work to get it to bolt to the rocker I think I'm just gonna give up and send a tabco panel back home and have my dad swap it.It'd be much easier too. One cut and a straight line weld. Definitely easier than any of the work I already did on the rockers, rocker ends, and rear lower quarters. 

 

tl;dr: buy a tabco panel for the fender, unless you're really good, or plan on just covering it up (rust always comes back)

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I can't see a picture of the exact threaded insert your looking for, but hit up grainger, fastenal or mcmaster-carr and look for nut inserts, rivet-nuts , j-nuts or panel fasenters. They'll have any thread you could want.   I think Harbor freight might even have a cheap threaded insert kit with the tool, yep here's a link; down side to this kit isit is for standard and not metric threads so you'll have to change hardware.

 

Nut inserts in my experience tend to spin in their mounting holes if you try to tighten them down to much, so if it's something that requires a little muscle I would use weld nuts (little flat threaded tabs you can spot weld on the back side) or tack a regular nut to the back of what ever you are installing.

I'm using nuts much like the first ones you mentioned for my flares, but I think weld nuts are really close to what I'm searching for. There are some these square inserts that you put in slots that can be opened up and closed and that's what the bolt goes into, it's like sliding those weld nuts into a square groove that hold it in place? ring any bells? if not, the weld nuts may be the second best option!

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I have rot on the same spot in my passenger fender that I didn't get a chance to fix before leaving home. Driver side was perfect strangely. I tried fabing my own patch panel, but with the way the bottom side requires extra work to get it to bolt to the rocker I think I'm just gonna give up and send a tabco panel back home and have my dad swap it.It'd be much easier too. One cut and a straight line weld. Definitely easier than any of the work I already did on the rockers, rocker ends, and rear lower quarters. 

 

tl;dr: buy a tabco panel for the fender, unless you're really good, or plan on just covering it up (rust always comes back)

yeah weird how that happens. I think the bondo on mine held the water in that was normally channeled through the grooves at the bottom right under the rust spot. they were both blocked off so rust was what I got haha.

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I can't see a picture of the exact threaded insert your looking for, but hit up grainger, fastenal or mcmaster-carr and look for nut inserts, rivet-nuts , j-nuts or panel fasenters. They'll have any thread you could want.   I think Harbor freight might even have a cheap threaded insert kit with the tool, yep here's a link; down side to this kit isit is for standard and not metric threads so you'll have to change hardware.

 

Nut inserts in my experience tend to spin in their mounting holes if you try to tighten them down to much, so if it's something that requires a little muscle I would use weld nuts (little flat threaded tabs you can spot weld on the back side) or tack a regular nut to the back of what ever you are installing.

 actually, buckeye fasteners does have these things called retainer weld nuts! that's exactly what I'm looking for, you're the man!

 

here's a link for everyone

http://www.buckeyefasteners.com/nuts/floating%20nut.aspx

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Glad you figured it out man!

yeah definitely glad to get that problem figured out! thanks for the help!

 

 

so today, I had a friend of mine who also has a 71 240z bring his over. He has a v6 swap in it and it is mean! I'm a purist in the sense that I could never bring myself to put a v8/v6/american engine into it, but as far as japanese swaps I am completely fine with. Maybe I'm just contradicting myself. anyways, off the purist rant, it was fun to get in a z again and ride around. We compared z's and I showed him the hole where the water came into my passenger side from the firewall. I've always just figured it was a rust spot, but after closer inspection we realized it was some sort of bullet hole from inside the car haha. I can only imagine what happened! I'll have to take a picture to show how the metal protrudes into the wheel well.

 

here are a few pics of his V6 swap! it was originally yellow but he rattle canned it black after the yellow started cracking apart. He wants to get it repainted, he's thinking about yellow or black, I tried to convince him black because I am not a yellow person.

 

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Later on, I borrowed a hoist from a friend's friend in Salt lake. Traffic was absolutely dreadful so it took me 2 hours and 45 minutes to go get it (normally a 30 min commute each way), but it was awesome of this dude to let me borrow it. I sent him a picture to show him it was put to good use. but my engine is out! now just the rear Diff to go and I'm going to get it blasted! I'm leaning more towards dustless so I'll review it afterwards.

 

here are the pics! I figured I had to post a picture of my brother, thanks for the help! it's always nice to have someone there even as moral support!

 

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anyways, more to come. I am so stoked for my z to get painted!!

 

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Man I have been really terrible at updating this. I apologize! The past few weeks have been busy! I've completely torn the ole' Z down for blasting. I went with dustless thinking it would be less cleanup but sadly, it is probably the same if not more. The hard part was that basically it had the same amount of leftover material as sandblasting dry, but it was all wet and I had to wait for it to dry to take it out with a vacuum. I still haven't finished cleaning but that's how it goes! It tured out well enough though!!

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This is my friend's harley, he had his fender cut and got this trim stuff from a local oreillys I think, but I plan on  putting some onto my fenders so nobody loses a finger reaching up under there haha.

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Here is what the bottom corner of my rear fender looks like witha  little patch welded in, it was pretty much a gaping hole previously.

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this is what my cleaned and vacuumed interior looks like, figured I wanted to see before the blast and after (although the blaster literally never touched the inside, he also missed the complete underside of my driver's side, but he was paid by the hour and I got my moneys worth in other areas.)

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I also started taking apart the little things so I can get them each sanded and painted while my car is in the paint shop! It's the little things that count, right? ;) I also scrubbed my lights in the sink and they look much better now!

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Afterwards, I decided to try out this rubberized undercoating from the sherwin williams auto store, it looks decent. I'm not completely convinced it's super strong but the guy there said it was good so I'm hoping. Anyone had any experience with this?

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Anyways. Yesterday I put in about 8 hours of work doing body filler stuff, no wonder they charge so much for it! it is a lot of work, and being as this is my first time I figure I put too much on but I will sand it down and get better as I go!

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On a  side note, I'm getting married on december 1st, yesterday she came and helped me sand the interior, what a babe!!

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today is a rainy day, so my z is all tarped up and I am going to spend my time today working on the little bits! I plan on getting the dash done this week, maybe even today. Wish me luck! and I'm sorry for the drought in posts as well as the primitive write up. I've been taking pictures but never had the time to post them, so now with the backlog I didn't feel like writing a ton. if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

J.

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Any plans to get inside the windshield wiper cowl? Don't know how much rust you have hiding there - just pulled mine apart and it was full of rust around the heater vent. Just my ¢2. :)

I actually had the dude blast it out so it's pretty rust free, I'm going in with a hand brush to paint in there. I'm thinking a rubberized undercoating possibly as so much water will pass through it.

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Zetsaz    4

Someone on here with a 280z recently did the coating thing under the cowl panel. Can't remember the build name. Car was painted some sort of Lambo orange/red. I'll find it later tonight if you haven't seen it so you can get an idea. I saved the pic at my home computer for reference because I liked the idea.

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