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Moderators and Administrators on a short fuse

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This site has (for me) always had a good feel to it.

I was welcomed here when I started posting and found the content to be great.

I too like the info found on sites like cc.com, but I do not care for their style of moderation and don`t spend alot of time there.

I would hate to see this site go in that direction.

 

You mods and admins keep putting your heads together, I`m sure a good result will be the outcome.

 

Thanks for listening !

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I'm all for keeping the L6/RB/alternate forums. There are a lot of good members here who choose not to V8, or are modding their L6 before going to a V8. I think they add a lot to the site, and would hate to see them leave.

 

Forum consolidation? Maybe, but I don't see huge benefits there. Another car board I really like, moparts.org, has only two sections, Tech and general discussion. It works well, but you skim thru a lot of posts you may not have any interest in.

 

cc.com style moderation? While I really enjoy cc, it is not for everyone and a long way from what hybridZ has historically been. ANY slight sign of ignorance there results in being thrown to the piranhas, and they are well fed. I fully support firing both barrels at people who don't search, use poor grammar & spelling, and don't keep their posts concise and to the point. Long winded circular diatribes are a sore point with me, as some of you may have noticed yesterday. I think stepping up the level of moderation here would improve the site, but not to the cc level.

 

This is a great site. Let's keep improving it.

 

John

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I believe that Mike Kelly means to conslidate the forums a bit, not actually dump the valuable info there--that is part of "getting back to our roots" and 'simplifying.' I do think we should keep a forum open that involves the L6 engines--no need to dump them! However, a lot of the forums (just look at the LONG list) can be consolidated or done away with. There is very little interest in some of the forums and they just take up bandwidth AFAIC; what ends up happening is that we get the SAME QUESTION posted in the Chevy forum, for example, just because no one was on the other forum to answer a question.

 

Remember when the site was 'smaller' and the forums were absolutely full of pertinent, meaningful, insiteful, USEFUL technical posts? That's what we'd like to achieve.

 

Also, self policing would be great for EVERYONE on this site and it is not hard to do.

 

Davy

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John, I've got a number of VERY good friends who are "L sixers". My comment was that there are other places on the web for those specific discussions and I'm not sure that they fit the mold here.

Even as a new member to HybridZ, I have become very disheartened by the idea of changing the direction of this wonderful site from it’s current logo ‘HybridZ where stock just don’t cut it” to “HybridZ where only V8’s will do”. Was I wrong in my interpretation of the purpose of this site as a forum for the exchange of interesting ideas pertaining to the modification of Z cars?

If this site came out of the need to create a community of open-minded and technically oriented performance enthusiasts who had creative performance conversions, how could it think of defining itself in such a narrow way “V8 or nothing”. Isn’t this too close to the narrow-minded view common to some of the classic Z sites?

Interestingly the previous announcement which was very nicely accepted by the HybridZ community related to “why us vs. them” as it pertained to the so-called ricers. So, then why now is the thought of taking the us vs. them mentality growing so strong and extreme as to entertain the idea of separating true technically oriented Z car conversion and performance enthusiasts based on the preference or choice of engine ?

I can assure you that most of us, turbo or any other modification group of HybridZ members are in no way different than ones who have V8’s. I have chosen the Datsun/Nissan Z platform for the sole purpose of making modification to enhance my driving pleasure and have fun. Those “other Z or L28 sites” as was put may share the same engine that I do, but they don’t share the same goal, level of passion or technical expertise in making performance oriented modifications. On the other hand, the general HybridZ group is an exact match for my interest and perspectives on performance.

Until now, I had never thought for a moment of HybridZ members with V8’s as different than those with L28 or RB’s.., and frankly I refuse to.

So, even as the most junior member of HybridZ I urge the administrators to keep the view that all mature members who share the same spirit and passion for technically oriented modifications on the Z cars as one community as opposed to drawing a line of distinction based on number of cylinders.

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Davy captured my thoughts exactly. Interpret them as you wish. Bottom line is, as stated before, our origins are what they are, and I will NOT make apologies for them.

 

The focus is on consolodation of the forums, the strict inforcement of the rules, and the re-focus of our intended goals, which were captured perfectly in Pete Paraska's Mission statement, and some of which has been transfered to rules that will be held to bear for all of our membership.

 

Again, I hold no ill will to those who modify the L series motor... I sponsor one for christ sake. :shock: My point was that we have some problems with some of our membership and we need cooperation from our membership in ferreting the problems, and the problem children out. We also DON'T need 29 forums.

 

We're talking about getting back to a more basic, but not totally stripped format that will make a little more sense. And yes, I personally DON'T see the need for an RB and an L6 catagory. We could combine them. That is my personal opinion, and as another member pointed out, due to the popularety of the swap (Due to the BS movies out) we are attracting a BUNCH of POSERS who have no interest in our goals.

 

Are we focusing only on V8 swaps? Hell NO. HALF, No OVER HALF our moderators and adminsitrators DON'T have V8 swaps. What should that tell out mature and loyal followers? I don't think I have to explain it to them.

 

Mike 8)

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I would like to add my 2 cents in as a new memeber. One thing I would like to see is a FAQ that would be able to answer the questions that get asked every few days. Also, a "search all" button would be great.

Thanks for the hard work you guys put in, and keep it up :)

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We (well, mostly JohnC) sort of started one:

 

http://240z.jeromio.com/faqdraft

 

But it is unfortunately incomplete. Still, there is a great deal of info there.

 

SuperDan had to remove the SearchAllForums due to CPU limitations.

 

However, If we could keep topics in the appropriate forum, the need for a search all would diminish or even vanish.

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i also thought that "Hybrid" meant different, modified, not stock. i have posted before on other "Z" sites of which i will not mention and was told i was basically doing the Z a great injustice and i should go find help with my questions or problems elsewhere. i do own a '77 280Z of which has been highly modified. granted it does have an L series engine in it. i hope to start working on my other Z soon of which i will need help with other topics such as body, suspension, steering (bump steer, and other wierd problems) if i do get this other z car. you say "Hybrid" and trust me if everything works out i will have a "HybridZ" to the fullest extent of the term. the only thing left original will be the roof and the block. i am looking at a full tube frame GT2 car to convert and make strret legal by the skin of my teeth. i hope you will still include some of us like myself as a member of this site though i do not post often. i have always admired and appreciated this site for the help i have received and the pride people on this site have taken in their own cars. i hope to continue to receive the great advice and opinions of others with their Z's, for i know my judgement with mine has not always been the best or worked out the best for me.

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Personally I love the site, and often feel like I have something to contribute. I'm afraid I would miss VERY MUCH the Turbo, Ignition, and L6 forums. You say "go to the other sites", but have you been there? I have, and there is NO COMPARISON. The information here is consistantly reliable, courteous, and very well thought out. No other site has information or technical experience that even comes close.

 

I am totally with you on moderating the crap out of the site, especially to keep the trolls and spoon-feeders down. But please don't discriminate your membership merely based on the fact folks choose to keep the powerplant that came originally in the cars. I don't go around promoting a purist attitude, and very few other turbo L28 folks here do either. There is too much here to have to root around elsewhere, and too many common interests that bridge the gap to the V8'rs.

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Davy captured my thoughts exactly...The focus is on consolidation of the forums' date=' the strict inforcement of the rules, and the re-focus of our intended goals, which were captured perfectly in Pete Paraska's Mission statement, and some of which has been transfered to rules that will be held to bear for all of our membership...And yes, I personally DON'T see the need for an RB and an L6 catagory. We could combine them...

 

Are we focusing only on V8 swaps? Hell NO. HALF, No OVER HALF our moderators and adminsitrators DON'T have V8 swaps...[/quote']

 

Guys, please read this summation of what Mike just said--it explains a whole lot.

 

L6 guys need not worry about an elimination of their forum, just a consolidation with the RB forum, etc.

 

It's not that bad, guys. Additionally, it'll help to streamline this site a bit. Do you know how difficult it is to patrol all the forums here???? Less forums is certainly easier and will be easier to read for the average member.

 

I still think the Chevy forum will still be the "post whatever" forum as usual lol.

 

Davy

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I still think the Chevy forum will still be the "post whatever" forum as usual lol.

 

Yeah I wouldn't doubt it, as it seems to be the dumping ground for a lot of the usuals, (How much, how hard, how long). Maybe cause it's at the top? I dunno.

 

Even if the moderators do begin to crack down on the dumb posts that still puts a lot of stress on the mods, I don't want to be a jerk here, but we have to find a way to deter these people in the first place. I think we can probably attribute a lot of these posts to our two favorite movies (sarcastically)...There were a few posts a while back of "If I put an RB26DETT in my Z I get all wheel drive right?". So I'm not sure its possible but I think it would be in everyone's best interest to prevent the stupid questions and comments from being posted in the first place so not to overload the work of our mods.

 

Also, wouldn't there be a problem if someone comes on and asks "How fast will a Z with a 300ZX twin turbo engine in it be?". A mod sees this, the delete the thread. The next thing you know the guy comes back posting, "U POST NAZI'S ALL U CARE ABOUT IS UR AMERICAN PUSHROD 1950's JUNK". The mod deletes that one, then the next day the guy has a new username and again "U GUYS SUCK..." blah blah blah. It could snowball and go on and on from there, maybe I'm wrong though.

 

Sorry for being so wordy, I guess I got a little carried away :D

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...just in case anyone was wondering what the other admin is thinking...

 

Wow, where do I start. I am not about to mince words here. These are my feelings, no holds barred.

 

But before I go on, I will tell you that I think the L6 and RB series are fine engines. If the RB were available in quantity, I'd want one in a Z for myself! A turbo L6 Z, I'd love one of those too! A hotrod NA L6 Z, cool, I used to have one and loved it. You see, I've not met one person with or building a V8Z that looked down on other engine choices. That's because we are hot-rodders at heart. We build what we want with what's available.

 

Oh, and just for those that don't know the history of this site, Owen started the V8swappersforum and we lived there for a while. Then Dan Porter started HybridZ to give us a better home. You have those guys to thank. The REASON for starting it was that we kept getting the cold shoulder, flamed, etc. on the IZCC email list, the 240Z email list (although they are more tolerant now), and most notably ZCAR.COM for even mentioning V8 swaps into Zs. We wanted a haven from that. Yes, things have changed. We took on GN engined Zs, Ford V8s, Mopar V8s, Chevy V6, then the L6, then the RB. Somewhere in there we added brakes, suspension, chassis, and other performance oriented forums. Then people wanted to talk about non-tech stuff as a nice friendly place to hang out. Of course, we needed to buy/sell, etc., etc. And here we are, quite a bit different from the beginning. In some ways that's great. But lately, it's less so...

 

These are my observations from being part if the Internet Z car community since 1991. Yes, 1991. The Internet actually existed back then! Email was about it though :). Was Al Gore even out of college yet ? :) And observations during the lifetime of HybridZ.org.

 

1) There are plenty of L6-only and Nissan-only idiots out there that will tell you in either a nice way or a not-so-nice way that putting an engine other than the one to their liking (L6 only, Nissan only, or Japanese only) into a Z is an injustice, unnatural, etc., and that you must be some kind of a genetic aberration for even thinking about it. THIS is why HybridZ (and the V8swappersforum that Owen started before it) was created - to have a haven away from these closed minded idiots.

 

2) If you have an L6 or RB or L6/RB forum on HybridZ that has the best tech info on these engines/swap, you WILL attract these idiots. This has happened very recently, and the person could not hold their tongue, even though Rule #1 states that this site is BLIND to engine/part origin - and this person was banned on the first offense. Heck, I was at a meeting of several HybridZ people lately, and even though there were several people there with V8Zs, this person tried to explain to us why he thought it just wasn't right to put a V8 in. You see, this is an illness that cannot be easily cured. It is also my belief that there are many closet purists (be they L6-only or Nissan-only, or Japanese engine-only) out there. I've been caught off guard more than just a few times by that!

 

I will not frequent this site if V8 or American engine intolerance is even allowed to stay posted more than half a day. I will not stand for even giving these tools a second chance. They DO NOT BELONG. Heck, I don't even want to have to DEAL with moderating of viewing that nonsense here. That is the impetus for some of my current thinking on HybridZ...

 

Does that mean we lock or get rid of the L6 and RB forums? To tell you the truth, I'm still not convinced one way or the other.

 

3) To my recollection, ALL of the bad apples that we've had trouble with (be it V8-bashing or not) tend to be L6-only or RB-only guys. My theory is that the closed mind they have is just one symptom of their bad character, another being immature and not being able to handle one's self online. Immaturity can be someone 15 or 75 years old. I've met all ages like that.

 

To me, that's another reason that I even started to lately consider leaving HybridZ or seeing if HybridZ could just not handle the ENGINE part of the L6 or RB powered Z. That's not to say I want to say good bye to 99% of the people I know here with those powerplants - to the contrary!

 

SleeperZ noted that he doesn't "go around promoting a purist attitude, and very few other turbo L28 folks here do either." Well, even one is way too many for HybridZ, IMO.

 

4) Afshin wrote:

Was I wrong in my interpretation of the purpose of this site as a forum for the exchange of interesting ideas pertaining to the modification of Z cars?

 

Well, that's in the general spirit, but the roots are there - we started out as a haven for V8 Z swappers.

 

Afshin also wrote:

If this site came out of the need to create a community of open-minded and technically oriented performance enthusiasts who had creative performance conversions, how could it think of defining itself in such a narrow way “V8 or nothingâ€. Isn’t this too close to the narrow-minded view common to some of the classic Z sites?

 

No, not really. And my idea wasn't to say "V8 or nothing". It was more like "Archive the L6 and RB forums, lock them, and let some other site handle that domain." You see, I'm not anti-L6 or anti-RB. But to say that an NA L6 Z is a hybrid is a stretch, IMO. But if we now get rid of the L6 forum, then it hurts feelings, no matter what we say. You see, I was one of the people that didn't want to start an L6 forum in the first place, because my fear was that HybridZ would attract the L6-only purists. Unfortunately, my fears have been realized. And we are now in a place that we wanted to get away from - a haven where non-L6 (V8, American V6, etc.) swaps could be discussed without the purists whining and bitching.

 

5) Air, fuel, and a turbo can not read the label on an engine. Even though the L6 or RB forums COULD go away, the turbo/supercharging forum can and would address pressurizing ANY engine, as it should!

 

6) To keep the non Chevy V8 swap questions out of that forum, why not simply move it down the page and have the Admin and Non Tech forums be up top? I think one of the reasons that the Chevy V8 Swap forum is so overrun with off-topic threads is because of it's physical placement on the page.

 

7) The CornerCarvers.com moderation style is too harsh for my liking, but some of those rules and procedures are attractive.

 

8 ) I like most of what jeromio proposed as moderation style.

 

9) I like Aaron's consolidation plan. Oh, and Aaron, Scottie has an American engine - that would stay no matter what!

 

10) No John (johnc), we are DEFINITELY NOT telling you to take a hike!

 

11) John, my point #2 says that it IS the topics (forums) that can lead to the people that we attract.

 

12) It's been brought to my attention that at least one regular on HybridZ thinks that it was offensive to delete the gangster-slang thread and to write Rule #4 the way it was written. I have to disagree. I for one want a high standard of the use of the English language on this site, for those that CAN write it decently. That is to say that if you can write English so that 99% of us can read it and know what you mean, but choose to use very obtuse and regional slang to look "cool", I'm going to ream you a new one. That's NOT to say that people who do not speak/write English well (because it's a second or third language of theirs) should not muddle through and try to communicate. I personally love it when language barriers can be broken down enough that we can share a common interest in the Z, etc.!

 

13) Dan Porter owns this site - he has the last word on any of this!

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To answer your question Jay, We have ways of dealing with those we ban. We have the ability to prevent you from even viewing the site, as at least two of those who have recently been baned have found.

 

Bottom line is that if people can't seem to follow the rules then they need to go the hell away. It is that simple.

 

I've also wondered why it is that someone hasn't started an RB site, or an L6 technical site of their own... :lol: Similar to what we have done here, but specifically geared towards those with the same interest.

 

Mike 8)

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I've also wondered why it is that someone hasn't started an RB site, or an L6 technical site of their own...

Mike,

You and others in this thread have already answered that question. Since I have one of the more visited L6 sites besides Bryan Little I think I can answer that to an extent.

I am not willing to deal with the B.S. and wade through all the idiots. I get several e-mails a week, ranging from: "Hey, I have an 83zx and the air conditioning isn't working, what do you think is the problem?" (yes, that was all the info in the e-mail), to "I have a 280z and the smog pump isn't working anymore, how can I find a replacement or remove it" - even though I have nothing about smog pumps on my site, much less any significant info on air conditioning. I usuallly point them to one of the forums and don't answer their question.

The RB swap is far too hot for me right now. Every "ricer" wants to do it because the GT-R is the cool car right now. Yet I can count on my fingers the number of us with successful RB26 swaps or good ones in progress. You have seen how I respond to those who don't take the time to write a coherent response/question or who posts inaccurate info with little or no facts to back it up. I may someday start a RB swap forum, but it would be moderated like CC.com because it makes the job eaiser on the mods and keeps well, this has been covered well.

I don't see a need for another L6 forum because 240z.org and zcar.com can cover 95% of that traffic. For the other 5%, there are good tech and turbo forums here to fill that gap.

I agree that the RB and L6 forums should go. To be honest, I was kinda surprised when the RB forum popped up in the last year. It was fine in the Alternate 6 cylinder forum.

As it has been said, the cc.com style of moderation works, but is not for everyone and I'd bet 80% of the regulars here would be highly offended and would not like it. As such maybe some aspects of it can be adopted, but others not used at all.

-Bob

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You see, I was one of the people that didn't want to start an L6 forum in the first place, because my fear was that HybridZ would attract the L6-only purists. Unfortunately, my fears have been realized.

 

But Pete, here you are the King! If one of those clowns shows up you can shout, "Off with his head!" Maybe I'm a bit sadistic but I would look forward to one of those Whack-a-Moles sticking his head up. A witty reply, lock the tread, and ban the user - all in about 30 seconds. "No more HybridZ for you! Next!"

 

I'll be more then willing to wield the hammer if its getting a bit heavy in your hand. I used to have moderator privlidges until the new site was setup.

 

Conversly though, there is a little V8 swap bigotry on this site. I have had to defend my choice of a normally aspirated L6 for my 240Z on HybridZ a number of times.

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Hey, um, John? If you look, there next to your post, right under your name, it says "Administrator".

 

So, unless there's some freaky wierd broken-ness with the forum software, I'm thinking you can wack as many moles as you wanna.

 

I must be a bit sadistic too, cuz I too would enjoy that. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a "Your post is Stupid" board to move posts to. If nothing else, bored masochists might enjoy reading thru such a board to mock particularly egregarious infractions against common sense.

 

In keeping with the sadism, I've been poking around, looking for examples of this stuff Pete and Mike are referring to and I can't find anything. Did it all get deleted? The closest I came to an argument was the recent discussion about the JSK brake brackets. I mean, true the RB forum is filled with pretty useless posts, but I just could not find any posts in any boards with any kind of bashing in them?

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John, the Admin forum doesn't show up for you at the bottom of the forum index page when you're logged in? It should.

 

Yes, there probably is a bit of V8 bigotry. I don't like that. But if someone comes at me with "I can build a 300 hp NA L6" and they want to drive it on the street, I'm going to let them know that a Turbo L6 or other engine like a V8 is going to be alot more user friendly and reliable. But for your uses, I can't understand why you'd need to defend your choice - you class of racing allows only the L6!

 

As for wielding a heavy hammer, the issue is I'd rather not have to or see others have to. This was once a cheery home for V8 swap people - and with the recent influx of new blood, it's becoming less so. There's a decent amount of "Nissan or nothing" undertone - I'm not imagining it. And yes, sometimes it gets editted out or deleted - as it should.

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I would hate to see the L6 forum removed.

 

Zcar.com or any other Z site I've visited will never provide the technical resources or the caliber of members available here.

 

Please reconsider.

 

I agree with Rick. I have been apart this this site for some time know.I dont post too much but do read here everyday weather it be in the archives or just daily posts.I feel like it is my home . I have met and made friends from alot who post here.(SEZM1,SEZM2) I have a L6-3.0ltr stroker motor that I will be turboing as soon as I can get some down time. I have no bias to what goes in to power the Z. Heck I love seing High HP performace Z cars no matter what is in them. I just hope not to be put on the chopping block cause I dont have a GM or domestic motor. I consider having parts of a 240sx ,240z , 280z , 280zxT- to be a hybrid. I agree to consolidating some of the sections(and getting rid of the Rif Raf) but would hate to not be allowed to ask questions and be around other people who are serious about tuning and power that goes into the Z car. As for myself I plan on staying around as long as I can. On a final Note. I think the moderators have a very tough job and are doing a great job. I Love this site and the very diverse Knowlege that is on here.For that I Thank you.

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I had access to the Admin forum when we were beta testing the site. At some point (I don't know when) the Admin forum vanished from my Forum Index. I also don't get any of the admin buttons/controls in any of the forums.

 

Its not a big deal to me but if you guys need help moderating I'll be glad to own a couple topics. Also, I wouldn't be as heavy handed as I say. Polite the first time and then grumpier later.

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John, I just went in and found a setting for you that wasn't correct - you now should have full Admin permissions. I didn't realize until today that you were having that problem. Let's blame it on Dan :).

 

BTW, as evidence of my assertion that non-Nissan posts are made, I started looking around. I found some very cleverly disquised all-Nissan posts, but this one is more outward and very recent:

 

http://www.hybridz.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18625

 

Read the last couple of lines of the first post.

"Keeping everything Nissan while you're at it."

 

Jim Powers then calls him out very nicely with his response.

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There are 2 components in these posts, the problem (easier to identify and agree on)and the solution (no perfect one, and difficult as usual)

The problem relates to the preservation of this site as a nice medium for the exchange of interesting ideas, experiences and fun relating to making real modifications, all while preserving a sense of community. As such the influx of members who do not fit “the mold” or who make noise as opposed to contributions is appropriately being targeted. From my interpretations of others post, I feel that most would agree and be supportive of this endeavor.

However, the challenge is delineating who “those” folks are, and most difficult and crucial is how to deal with the issue. I believe that the manner in which we deal with distress is what best defines us. We understand that this forum was born out of the V8 conversions however, as you well know, it is much more than that. Within it lays the spirit of craftsmanship, customization and performance. This, at least, is what I felt after visiting this site and is why it represents the only online forum of any kind that I have ever joined.

The reorganization/consolidation of the many forums makes sense, and it’s only fair that the administrators’ perspective on how to do it should reflect their perspective on what best represents the overall goal of this site.

What needs to be worded and carried out carefully is classification of a group of diverse people based on a common feature that does not represent them fairly, in other words L6r’s, and so on. It’s not the L6 that’s a problem, it’s someone who thinks that it is better or someone who has no interest in true/significant performance modifications as you stated yourself. Now while this sound mostly like semantics, it does set the undertone, comments such as “people with L6’s can go elsewhere” will be unduly offensive to many contributing members of HybridZ, whereas saying Nissan purists or people who create noise as opposed to contribute should be banned, whacked in the head.. (which you have now made clear is your purpose) and so on is highly appreciated.

In the end, you guys are responsible for a great site and I loudly applaud your efforts to keep it special as opposed to let it degrade, even if some of us take offense during the process or disagree with certain aspects of your solutions.

:cheers:

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Thanks Pete.

 

Regarding the "all Nissan"post example...

 

IMHO... The goal of keeping your Hybrid all Nissan does not violate the intent of HybridZ. Brad's Q45 Z is a good example of something we all agree fits the mold here. The problem is when a builder with an "all Nissan" goal feels that others should share the same goal and expresses those feelings on this site.

 

This is just another derivation of "Marque Bigotry" and we've all seen that on the back windows of pickup trucks where that stupid kid is peeing on the logo of some other brand. Its just as asinine and stupid when typed on a message board.

 

In March when I had my 240Z on a chassis dyno there was a team from SLP there testing a highly modified, supercharged Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. I tow my 240Z behind a Ford F350 pickup and its was parked next to the GTP as the Pontiac was rolled off the dyno.

 

I commented to the Pontiac owner how nice his car looked and sounded. His reply to me was that he was embarassed to have his beautiful car next to a POS Ford towing a rice burner. I told him that he could go do something physically impossible with himself and then proceeeded to put down 50 more horsepower on my first pull then his SLP Pontiac did after three hours of tuning.

 

Marque bigotry is just stupid.

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I told him that he could go do something physically impossible with himself and then proceeeded to put down 50 more horsepower on my first pull then his SLP Pontiac did after three hours of tuning.

 

 

Well....as you know, a picture is worth a 1000 words.....I bet that shut his pompous @ss up!!! Good on ya John!!

 

Tim

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Well said JohnC and Afshin, I couldn’t have said it better myself, but I am going to try :)

 

I joined this site when I first considered my turbo conversion, and I was a member of Zcar.com/Zdriver long before that. While there is good information there, you have to fight the idiots or "experts" to get to it. This leads to false information, and heated internet slap fights. That forum fell apart about five months before I joined here.

 

When I first came here I didn’t post for a long time, I would read through each and every forum soaking up as much info as I could. And if I didn’t find the info i was looking for...or if it wasn’t clear to me, then I would post. I visit HybridZ.org every single day. This is my start page, and I love to read as many posts as possible, whether its V8, RB or L6. The way I have always viewed this site, is that it was for people that LOVE the Z car, as long as its well engineered and not factory stock, its a HybridZ. What I feel is needed, is not removal of forums or even heavy moderation, but the combination of some forums, ALL of the with a clear and detailed FAQ section at the very top. I would combine the forums like this:

 

Chevy V8

Ford V8

Other V8

Alternative 6 cylinder

other power plants (4 bangers, rotary, electric V12 etc)

Miscellaneous Tech

High Tech Board

Brakes, Wheels, Suspension and Chassis

Drive train

Paint and Body

Ignition

Turbo / Supercharger

Exhaust

EFI / Fuel Injection

Carburetors

Body Kit/Kit Car

 

 

by combining the l6,rb, and alt 6 boards, I think you can clear out a bunch of riff-raff and you’ll see a big drop in lamers with stupid questions. if you give them a place to go, and make it real easy for them, they will post and post and post.

 

Keep all the general forums, and lose all the club forums. Also, I noticed that as soon as the forum software change over happened, all the lamers started to show up. (again this goes with making it easy for them) also, you no longer see the mission statement every time you visit the main page. this might have something to do with it.

 

But as I said before, A lot of bigger site have a great FAQ section that really helps out the new people....so the DONT have to ask a "dumb" question. not only would it make the newbie’s feel more welcome, but it would educate them as well.

 

There are ALOT of young to older people that are getting into the scene, whether its Z cars or camaros they have to start somewhere, we as educated experienced enthusiasts should seek out to edjucate instead of alienate. that is the key to a long and happy forum life. Better moderation with a FAQ is key!

 

Also, some "keep it Nissan" members are not bashing anyone, they are stating an opinion, nothing more. it seems that some people are very sensitive to that, and need to relax just a little. BUT, I totally agree though, that anyone that pushed his or her beliefs, be it all Nissan or all V8 should be banned or put on warning.

 

WE are ALL HybridZ'ers , WE all share a common interest of modifying Datsun/Nissan Z cars. That’s what makes this site a great place on the web. If it comes down to it, I will pay a membership fee in order to keep this site the great place it is for all!

 

 

Well, during this post I have ate my dinner, burned two CD's and talked to my LD girlfriend. Sorry if it seems a bit thrown together.

 

As Always I love this site! The only reason I know what I do, and the only reason my 240ZT runs and drives, is because of ALL members and forums on this site!

 

Keep the Z alive! :rockon:

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I nominate Afshin for King of Grammar and WordSmithery.

 

I am posting (again) here because something just occurred to me. Not to offend anyone performing or contemplating an RB swap, but damn. I read thru that thing and it is just a magnet for retards (which, BTW Sparky, is dubbed "LD" here in the south which kinda threw me 'til I realized you must've meant LongDistance).

 

So anyway, follow my logic here. The internet is full of retards. It's actually even capable of turning ordinary, intelligent people into retards (but not me of course - I've never ever posted anything retarded on the internet :oops: ). Hybridz.org is on the internet. Retards, whether naturally born, internet enhanced or otherwise, are going to make their way here.

 

They seem to like the RB board (well, other boards too, but RB much more so). So, if you get rid of that board, they'll only disperse to the other boards - possibly L6 or whatever 6 board replaces it, possibly Misc Tech - hell, they'll just post a "How much to swap in an RB" question to the Chevy board.

 

Point is, just leave it. Maybe have Bob_H moderate it and he can just spend a few hours a day mocking people or just deleting dumb posts. Or just set the quota/purge_old flag on that board so it doesn't use up disk space and leave it alone. It can be an InternetRetard HoneyPot of sorts.

 

Oooh! Even better. Rename that board to "RB and other all Nissan swaps"! Ha!

 

And Pete and Mike can just completely avoid it and maybe move other obnoxious posts there ala my earlier idea - it'd be just a time delayed delete anyway since that board would only keep posts for 30 days or whatever. We'll all know that it's really the InternetRetard board, a wasteland for obnoxious fools, but perhaps the victims won't catch on.

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