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#21 mas28O

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Posted 06 February 2004 - 06:15 PM

Tim what are you doing about the inner stops? I am using some on my R230. I am going to help khashabi1 (JOHN) tonight put his new R230 axle's together.
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Posted 06 February 2004 - 07:20 PM

I haven't done anything yet, but I plan to just squeeze some silicone in there and let it set up.

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 05:43 AM

Tim,

NICE JOB!!

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 08:38 PM

Ok, so are the stub axles the only weak link left?

Is the R230 available in 3.70 to 4.10 gear range?

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 08:39 PM

3.54 from the Q45, and from what others have posted, 4.11 from Z-TT

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Posted 08 February 2004 - 10:26 PM

3.54 from the Q45, and from what others have posted, 4.11 from Z-TT


It's a 4.08, but I don't think anyone can tell the difference when driving ;)

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 11:56 AM

Just as a matter of FYI...the two complete axles weighed 37lbs for shipping purposes. Take maybe 1.5 to 2 lbs off for the packaging materials (box and extra cardboard for packaging integrity).

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 01:19 PM

Just got my R230 and a set of axles for free :-D . I will be doing this swap when it warms up outside. Think I will go with Ross' setup.
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#29 Mike Mileski

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Posted 10 February 2004 - 11:01 AM

Z-Dreamer wrote:

"So, are the stub axles the only weak link left?"

I would have to say yes. I know that there's been very few stub axle failures ever discussed in the forum, but it would be nice if a stonger stub axle could somehow be adapted into the stock rear housing. Its been mentioned that Jim Biondo (past list member?) converted some Corvette stub axles to work but Pete Paraska has been unable to find any documentation on this swap. Has anyone else ever ventured into this little known area of adapting different axles, other than the 27 spline (I think)280Z ones?

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Posted 19 February 2004 - 09:24 AM

Woo hoo!! I just got the diff and CV axles for $150 from a 95 Q45. Now I just have to find another set of CV axles and the shortie axles themselves. Hey Tim, how is your contact for CV axles? PM me!

#31 74_5.0L_Z

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 02:08 PM

I was wondering.... Are both ends of the new CV axle able to change length? I ask this question because the old outer was fixed in length and the old inner could telescope to compensate for changes in length. If both ends of the new CV axle are free to telescope you may have a problem. You will have added an additional degree of freedom to the axle without adding an additional constraint. This will cause the position of the axle to be indeterminate, and may lead to vibration.

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 02:15 PM

The cage cannot move on the shaft, but both assemblies can move within the 'cups' or 'housings'. It is not unlike the OEM setup.
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Posted 26 February 2004 - 05:10 AM

I cannot address 74_5.0L_Z's concern, but I know that on the ZX cv jointed shafts, a spring on one (moveable end) end pushes the shaft against a nylon button in the other joint at the other end of the half-shaft keeping the shaft always positioned inboard. This also povides constant pressure on stub axle as well.
The joints used on German makes use the same type of cage set-up, with no spring at all, but the grooves that the balls ride in are much shorter allowing only about 1/2" of movement on each end.

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 06:23 PM

I just finished breaking down my CV shafts from an Infiniti J-30 R-200 VLSD rear end (Pretty sure its an R-200 short nose). Surprisingly, the CV joints look nearly identitcal to the R-230 CV's in Tims pictures. Close enough that it may be possible for the Moser R-230 shafts to work with the J-30 CV's. How many splines do the R-230 shafts have, and what is their OD at the splined section? The J-30 shafts are 27 spline at 1.160" OD on the splines. Here are some pics of the shaft after disassembly:

http://hybridz.org/n...normal_J-30 CV%

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Hopefully someone with the R-230 shafts will chime in.....
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Posted 22 April 2004 - 06:26 PM

For some reason one of the pics didn't load, here goes try #2:

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 06:47 PM

Splines are the same, but it appears that the grooves and shoulders are different.....
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#37 Z-TARD

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 07:10 PM

I have a lathe at work, I'm pretty sure I could modify the moser shafts to work with these joints. Maybe. The race on the R-230 shaft looks a little different than mine. Mine doesnt have the turned down portion on the internal splines to fully seat on the shaft so the c clip can go on. It appears that the shaft is releived on mine instead.
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Posted 22 April 2004 - 07:29 PM

I believe that after any machining, which will be difficult due to the heat treating/hardening, the part will need to be rehardened/heat treated.

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 07:43 PM

I think that only applies if it is just surface hardened, where the hardened area is only a few thousandths of an inch thick. I'm pretty sure that CV shafts are hardened all the way through like knife blades, so I should be ok to machine on it as long as I go slowly and use coolant to keep everything cool. As long as it never gets above about 400 F while machining it shouldn't affect the heat treatment.

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 08:26 PM

For OEM yes, but at least with the Speedway shafts, they are fully hardened!




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