Info on California Engine Swaps (BAR):
Posted 14 April 2005 - 01:25 PM
Vehicle family Rule:
Engine must come from a vehicle from the same family, ie. light duty to light duty, medium and heavy duty to same. What surprised me was the family range. Everything from a mini to a 1 ton truck is considered light duty, and engines can be interchanged. Everything greater than 1 ton pickup is considered med/heavy duty and thus cannot be used as a donor into a car.
CATs are not required to be installed on vehicles that did not come with them installed from the factory.
Kicker: OBDII donor vehicles have post CAT O2 sensors. These cannot be disabled in any way. Without the CATs, the PCM will throw a code, thus creating an issue with the conversion. So, although the CATs themselves are not required, if the Donor vehicle is OBDII, then by proxy, they are required.
Misc. Emissions controls:
EVERY piece of emissions package is required from the donor vehicle. That would include fuel tank (to include fuel pressure sensor), evaporative canister and all lines from and to the tank.
Pre-75 vehicles (vehicles not requiring smog tests) do not have to be referee certified. However, CHP (or any law enforcement officer, I suppose) can write you an emissions citation, which would need a visit to the referee to sign off to cancel the citation (fixit ticket). Apparently, the State is actively looking at modified vehicles for emissions violations (roadside checkpoints as mentioned previously)
Well...that should answer about everything.......
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Posted 14 April 2005 - 04:25 PM
Posted 14 April 2005 - 04:50 PM
Something wrong with emissions=CA no likey
Posted 14 April 2005 - 05:52 PM
Posted 14 April 2005 - 08:56 PM
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Posted 15 April 2005 - 09:11 AM
Now, where is all that info written? Codes, etc. word of mouth is fine, but I want hard evidence just in case.
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Posted 15 April 2005 - 09:12 AM
Posted 15 April 2005 - 12:08 PM
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Posted 15 April 2005 - 12:12 PM
I asked that specific question, "Can't I edit the PCM, or buy O2 sensor simulators".....absolutely not.
Posted 19 April 2005 - 08:37 AM
Posted 19 April 2005 - 08:40 AM
Posted 21 April 2005 - 10:07 PM
they are very very very knowledgable ...
i had to take my manx down there, it was from texas ... california dmv refused to recognize the texas title. sent me to referee ... i had to pull the 1600 dual port and put the 1200 back in it ( they were still smogging back to 1955 then ). told me because of the engine size, the down draft tube was still legal, but the mechanical dist had to go. he looked the other way, on the full mechanical dizzy, and modified carb, open element air cleaner. let me hang around a bit, while he checked an engine swap in a vette and a mustang with a big block chevy in it.
my cousin recently swapped a big block truck engine into an s-10 ( i have not seen it, he lives in oakdale ca.) it's smog legal ... think he said he ran it through the ref station 3 times, before they signed it off. said they were real nice and helpful ... not just, sorry you suck, go home and come back when you have it corrected. they told him what to do to make it right, gave him pointers, where he might find the parts and what he could and couldn't modify.
of course, he had not "tampered" with any smog devises and he went in, wanting to do it correctly.
and not that it matters, he rides one of those boss hogs ... motorcycle with a 450 hp chevy 350 V8. if you were at the hollister motorcycle meet, last year, you may have seen him, he won the burn out contest. i told him, thought he was silly, wasting a tire that way, think he said the tire was somewhere around 180 dollars.
anyway, the refs are smart and as long as you aren't a jerk, most of em are more than willing to share what ever info they have to make your swap legal.
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Posted 25 April 2005 - 06:42 AM
If this works, then no cats are needed and the PCM can be left intact.
Could this be a work around?
Another thing to worry about is ABS sensors. Some cars use the ABS sensor to detect a "rough road condition". If you don't have the ABS sensors, then you are in the same mess as the second O2 sensors. The correct fix is to modify the computer to ignore the no ABS input, which is illegal. One member had his complete LS1 swap rejected because of this.
And people wonder why I am still considering a pre 96 LT1 swap.
Posted 26 April 2005 - 11:43 PM
Posted 26 June 2005 - 07:12 AM
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Posted 02 November 2005 - 11:30 AM
Although tim was right in the fact that you don't have to take your car to the ref for a swap into a 75 or older vehicle (legally) the state promotes you to. And here's the real key. If you take your newly swapped engine to the ref to get it all checked out, they put a nice little plate in your engine bay so that the CHP can't send you to the ref unless they find aftermarket non CARB legal parts installed. It's basically just a plate saying what motor is in the car. Most CHP officers are looking for key things, such as guages (A/F ratio guages really set them off, boost controllers are a no no, and any other suspicious guages can result in a fixit tell you to go to the ref), modified intake systems, OEM looking exhast manifold/headers, nitrous and other obvious midifications (force induction is quite obvious and will require some explaination).
If you can cover those key points you shouldn't ever have to deal with the ref again. I'd also guarentee that NO cop is gonna crawl on the ground to check for cats. The only thing to watch out for after that is exhast volume. They can send you to the ref for noise pollution testing. So if they stick you with it you might want to cooperate, since fighting it will result in a trip to the ref. I personally preffer quiet smooth exhast as long as it performs well, but I know some guys preffer the type that will knock your fillings loose.
It was also stated that the refs are "very very smart & knowledgable" this is true, and not true. They're very smart, but they don't know tons about actual motor history and such (in most cases). Most refs can't even tell you wether or not a honda motor came from japan or not. If you stuck the USA stickers on the ECU they wouldn't know the difference (when in reality there are a slew of differences). There are many car specific things they don't know much about. I still bet I could get a RB25DE to pass... But for those looking to do things legally, they're very helpful people. They're good friends to make too
Also, I don't think you HAVE to have the gas tank from the donor car, as longs as the sensors & evap system are used from the donor car (though using the tank from the donor might be easlier methinks).
'75 280Z, L28ET, Street going rat rod
Posted 25 March 2006 - 02:48 PM
I love florida and our completely non restrictive laws on emmisions. :]
I couldn't agree more
Posted 18 May 2006 - 04:58 PM
I managed to get mine to pass smog after I put the engine it passed damn well too but the guy thought it was a stock engine, but this was just for registration not smog cert. It pretty much is stock cept for a 280ZX =P
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Posted 18 May 2006 - 08:27 PM
'75 280Z, L28ET, Street going rat rod
Posted 18 May 2006 - 10:38 PM
CA is evil! Turbo?! Officer, I didn't know that huge mass was a turbo! The guy who sold me the car told me it came like this from the dealer, I swear!....ahahaha.
Exhaust modification and intercoolers...wait a second? What do those do?
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