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You are probably better off trying to chase down the ScorpionZ rear mould which was sold to Oliver Graham Meulbrouck (Google and see also British phonebook) around 2006 and marketed under OM Sportscars. They went under fairly quickly but the moulds may only have changed hands in 2013;

 

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I'm not sure what Michelle has done but I had to create a recess in the roof for about 150mm to position a standard 240Z perspex rear window.

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I used all the Puckett except the roof and door skins. Puckett owners, RR in New York and EF in Toronto, were very helpful.  

 

 

RR is the one with the molds, and a body that was in them when he got the molds while helping EF get the parts owed to him  :) I've known RR a few years, took him out in mine.. I love what you did with the doors, I'm doing similar except out of aluminum (making hood and already made trunk lid the same way) The frames for the side windows have been a real issue for me.. The last few days, having mine back, i walk out to the garage like 5 times a day an just smile..

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Okay, measured mine for trunk. I have a meeting in a few minutes, but will write more on my thoughts about making a trunk later :)

 

here's trunk measurements and the headlight trim rings/headlight covers. I wasn't thrilled about placement of the screws, but the construction of the nose limited where I could place a couple screws. I liked using the proper hardware, gives a much better final result..   direct link to the images here: http://imgur.com/a/CQwPc

 

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Chatz,

I built my first trunk using the scorpionz trunk kit.. I posted a thread on here long ago about how I felt, that the kit was a decent start, but that if (and when) i did it again, i'd rather go metal. Unfortunately the maker took it as me attacking him - which was not my intent. Those trunk kits were an okay option. To use my kit, I strengthened it in several ways, but in the end, I still feel, metal is a better option. The crossbar won't ever crack, the trunklid won't have any issues distorting in heat or cold, affecting fit, and everything from the hinges to the latch will be better when done.

I'll try and find my original post on this point

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There is another car here in Oz that is just sensational and puts mine to shame, I'll see if I can get the owner/builder to come on here.

 

For all the fabulous advice you've given you can drive mine any time you want.

 

 

I'll make you a set and bring them over next year when I come over for the Indy 500.

Thanks for the offer Peter and I may just take you up on it.  I would have to ship the headlight covers to you ahead of time since the holes to hold them on are already drilled.  We have time so I will let you know. 

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Chatz,

I built my first trunk using the scorpionz trunk kit.. I posted a thread on here long ago about how I felt, that the kit was a decent start, but that if (and when) i did it again, i'd rather go metal. Unfortunately the maker took it as me attacking him - which was not my intent. Those trunk kits were an okay option. To use my kit, I strengthened it in several ways, but in the end, I still feel, metal is a better option. The crossbar won't ever crack, the trunklid won't have any issues distorting in heat or cold, affecting fit, and everything from the hinges to the latch will be better when done.

I'll try and find my original post on this point

Thank you very much for the info Chelle and I am sorry if you thought I slighted your awesome GTO.  I didn't mean too but I thought you had sold it AND I forgot just how awesome it came out after you made all those changes and lengthened the nose. 

 

Still not sure if I am up to making my own aluminum trim rings so I might just take Peter up on his offer.  BTW, yours look really good!

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Thank you very much for the info Chelle and I am sorry if you thought I slighted your awesome GTO.  I didn't mean too but I thought you had sold it AND I forgot just how awesome it came out after you made all those changes and lengthened the nose. 

 

Still not sure if I am up to making my own aluminum trim rings so I might just take Peter up on his offer.  BTW, yours look really good!

 

I promise, i didn't feel slighted at all, I think you're awesome, and your build inspired me long ago :)   Thanks for your kind words! The person who got upset with me was the guy who made and sold the Scorpionz parts. I didn't have issues with him, I just felt the trunk kit could use some improvements, or, more correctly, I felt there were a few things someone using the trunk kit could do to get a better final result, and that metal was probably a better route for anyone with the skill to make it.

 

I probably spent 2 weeks on my rings getting to the point I was happy with them.. i do sometimes get a little anal about some details.

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I posted here about 7 years ago, with high hopes, wild dreams, and lots of ambition. My project however figuratively hit the wall, hard. I have to own it, however I'll gladly lay plenty of blame with the now defunct Thunder Ranch for screwing around with me. I'm not necessarily a spiritual person, but I do know the bad start and feelings didn't help this project out one bit. Bad vibes.

 

To make a long story short, life changed quite a bit and the project has sat. That ambition instead has been funneled into building my own house (actually myself, not hiring someone like most people do when they say "they built a house"), acquiring a long time dream cabin property that never in a million years thought I would be able to purchase, improving my machining and welding abilities, building a few garages and garage additions for friends in my "spare" time, and buying, selling, and upgrading my old Ford car projects.

 

My next 2 years are going to be fairly booked up with work, 4 semesters of CNC training, sleep in between, mowing, plowing, & property maintenance on weekends, and trying to squeeze in building myself a proper shop to actually work in somewhere in between. I've been kicking this Z project around, weighing if I should send it down the road, or keep it along with my other 3 major automotive projects, boat restoration project, and now an ultralight project.

 

I was going to put it up for sale in March, figuring that if it sold, I would put the money into my other projects and free up some space. As I put it up it brought back a certain young nostalgia, and I got fired up about it again. I forgot how cool it was to sit in the drivers seat in that pile of Z car, and I just imagined how much better it would be with the body reworked.

I walked through a few local junkyards in April searching in vain for a good donor vehicle to supply me a rear window glass. I've actually discovered that a late model Chevy Astro van has a potentially suitable window in the sliding side door. It's the closest thing I've found for a piece of glass without resorting to a custom (and very expensive) glass maker. I know, call me crazy but the idea of a plastic rear window just never sat with me.

 

This is a choice that I alone have to ultimately make, but I would value any input from any members here who have completed one of these projects. I know this would be a big project, but it may help to actually hear a bit more of a detailed scope from anyone who has gone through it.

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Unless you are a retiree looking for a hobby I honestly wouldn't recommend this project. There is an unbelievable amount of devil in the detail. During the course of my build I met two owner/builders who told me they spent 6-8 months of 8 hour days, six days a week. just fitting a standard kit. It seems it's very difficult not to wander to other aspects of the car, e.g. engine, suspension, etc. to complement the bodywork

 

I have come away from my experience with a total respect for design engineers. Some of the modification I undertook seemed so straightforward in concept but turned out to be very difficult and very time consuming to execute.

 

If you really want one of these cars I would suggest (based on the info you provided) you sell what you have - and you may be lucky to recoup half your expenditure - then buy a completed car and modify it to your own taste and pocket. There is a lifetime of work in that alone.

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If you really want one of these cars I would suggest (based on the info you provided) you sell what you have - and you may be lucky to recoup half your expenditure - then buy a completed car and modify it to your own taste and pocket. There is a lifetime of work in that alone.

 

This is sound advice.. do with it what you will, but there is so much more work in successful execution of these things.

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Chatz,

I built my first trunk using the scorpionz trunk kit.. I posted a thread on here long ago about how I felt, that the kit was a decent start, but that if (and when) i did it again, i'd rather go metal. Unfortunately the maker took it as me attacking him - which was not my intent. Those trunk kits were an okay option. To use my kit, I strengthened it in several ways, but in the end, I still feel, metal is a better option. The crossbar won't ever crack, the trunklid won't have any issues distorting in heat or cold, affecting fit, and everything from the hinges to the latch will be better when done.

I'll try and find my original post on this point

Thanks so much for the info. taking loads of notes from this and trying to see what will work best. I think you are right. Metal is the best way to go. I just really wanted ot get a good idea of the dimensions others were making their car trunks and rear window to. 

 

The really nice alloy surround you have made for the rear screen. How did you construct that? It looks like the real GTO? So well made. No wonder your car gets so much attention. the finish is second to none. and the Alloy frames around the head lights as well. really it all looks just like the real deal! 

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Higuys,

I'm just wondering, but does anyone know of a scan of an owner's manual, in any language?  Or any other relevant literature, like an original advertisement, sales brochure, etc.  Anything GTO related?  Not anything related to the conversion.  It would make a splendid display, assuming no one stole it! :P

 

 For starters, I'll submit this link for your enjoyment:   http://www.unevoiture.com/manuals/ferrari/250

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Little question for all you knowledgable folk out there. I came across an old/vintage Nardi steering wheel in the stores the other day (pictures added) it looks very much like the Ferrari steering wheels from the 60's (apart from having a Nardi push horn button) The wood rim is in need of being taken to a specialist and completely redoing.


 


Question is are they worth restoring? 


 


It would be expensive to have restored so i will only look into it if it is worth it? 


 


Please let me know your thoughts guys. 


 


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Probably the most worked Datsun-based replica in Australia is for sale.


 


Sudden, very serious, ill-health has forced Alex (non-member) to offer for sale his pride and joy. I could go on and on about the work on this car but you need to be a serious GTO enthusiast to understand all the nuances associated with the modifications.


 


The car is fitted with a BMW V12 engine and is registered in Qld. For any Aussies interested, the car is located in South-East Qld and Alex can give further details to, and arrange an inspection for, interested potential buyers.


 


PM me for Alex's details, but please, seriously interested buyers only.


 


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Probably the most worked Datsun-based replica in Australia is for sale.

 

Sudden, very serious, ill-health has forced Alex (non-member) to offer for sale his pride and joy. I could go on and on about the work on this car but you need to be a serious GTO enthusiast to understand all the nuances associated with the modifications.

 

The car is fitted with a BMW V12 engine and is registered in Qld. For any Aussies interested, the car is located in South-East Qld and Alex can give further details to, and arrange an inspection for, interested potential buyers.

 

PM me for Alex's details, but please, seriously interested buyers only.

 

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What sort of money is he after for the car? I have quite a wealthy friend and when i showed him my GTO you could start to see the cogs turning. I thing he has been on the lookout for one. But I just dont have the faintest idea of how much money these replicas can go for in finished condition?

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Higuys,

 

I'm having a hard time trying to come up with an accurate graphic for the Boranni logo with the  directional arrow, so I can get the knock offs engraved.  Does anyone have a graphic they can offer?  I have the hand graphic and the rays with the letting done using MS PowerPoint, but  there is no way to come up wi the curved arrow that has the right kind of  'fletching.' 

 

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My condolences and sympathies go to Alex in this time of difficulty.  My car is really fun or a pleasure to drive, even with my finely tuned L28, and I can relate to his dilemmma. :(

 

BUut...  I think all the gawkers finally stopped bugging me with "is this a real one?", so  the real admirer's can have a voice :D

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I wouldn't put in an 8 cylinder engine unless it was a 3L one.  I.E., this car isn't meant for big bores.  Unfortunately, the smallest V-8 I know of is a 221 C.I.D. or 3.7L, and I don't have any old Italian "uncles that  know how to cast engines in aluminium. :)

 

AFAICT, there are still some things that haven't been discussed and detailed/defined.  In particular, the headlamp rings, and the knock-offs.I'll be working on those this winter.  I'd just like to know why I'm not getting my reply notifications!

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OK, you can add to the list of little bits, a set of plugs for the jack holes.   When I was researching these or how to make some, I read that some people  chose to use the round, chromed  plugs you put in the hole where your facet  used to be (a sink hole cover.)

 

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Wow! There doesn't appear to be much in the way of comments in the past 10 years but I do have an original Alpha GTO molded in 1989 which I have owned since then. It is currently being rewired, re-powered and has new paint.

Escaladess

Welcome escaladess.  59 pages of comments with maybe 8-10 on a page isn't too bad.  Anyway, that is a good looking Alpha 1 GTO you have.  There are a few of us here that can help if you have questions. 

 

BTW, a small block Chevy (like the one you already have in your car) is an excellent choice to install in a Z car.  I am sure by now you know there is a conversion manual "Jags That Run" http://www.jagsthatrun.com/ for reference.  Using the JTR setback installation with aluminum heads, intake, water pump, headers, etc. the engine will weigh no more then the stock Datsun inline 6.  Plus it will all sit behind the front axle and lower in the car.  The engine weight will now be all be behind the front axle and lower because it is a V type engine.  The weight distribution will go from a stock 52% front 48% rear to the highly desired 50%-50% front, rear distribution.  It will also lower the center of gravity thereby improving on an already great handling car.  AND, then of course there is the additional horsepower!!!  LOTS of it!!!!!

 

Good luck with your car. 

 

Ferrari_32

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SBC

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Thanks for the comments SpeedRacer. I have admired your GTO for several years and I have also been trying to find the Vehicle Improvement Products of Scottsdale Az. valve covers you have for over 10 years. I have carried photos and descriptions to every Good Guys show and swap meet up and down the east coast to no avail. I did see a set 15-16 years ago when I still had a 6 cyl. and should have bought them. I currently have a fast burn ZZ4 with T56 ( .50% sixth ) transmission and Nissan Armada center section. I have used the JTR mounting system in all three of my Z's which puts the T56 shifter perfectly in the center of the factory opening. During the rebuild I installed fully adjustable; coil overs, shocks, camber plates, Wilwood brakes and a Miata power rack. The rack required removing the motor mounts from the crossmember so I fabricated mounts from the frame rails which let the motor sit lower once I found a smaller aftermarket balancer. I liked the idea of a 3X2 intake but have not been able to source a low rise unit for a ZZ4. I molded a new GTO style dash with hidden radio and AC controls and the painless wiring is almost complete. Since the Wilwood brakes are mustang 5 lug I will have to order new Daytons unless someone has a better suggestion. I am hoping the finished product will be ready by Christmas.

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Give some thought to modifying other alloy covers which are available.

 

I had planned to build up a centre strip by running a series of welds the length of the cover and then engraving the Ferrari name and ribs. I discovered the covers I purchased (for an LS1) were 6mm thick so there was no need to add weld material.

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I am working on the smaller items right now. The current item is the covers for the jack holes, or "sill hole covers" (1st & 2nd photos.)  They remind me of the knob on a stove control panel.  There are many options you could choose.  Some people have chosen to  use ordinary covers used on your kitchen sink (3rd & 4th photo) but (3rd photo- my selection, but a solid top.)  Maybe someone here might have a mold &mini-foundry to make up sand-cast aluminium slugs that could be finished  by ourselves (First photo. You could even use a cheap plastic hole cover Please review the attached photos.

 

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Thanks for the comments SpeedRacer. I have admired your GTO for several years and I have also been trying to find the Vehicle Improvement Products of Scottsdale Az. valve covers you have for over 10 years. I have carried photos and descriptions to every Good Guys show and swap meet up and down the east coast to no avail. I did see a set 15-16 years ago when I still had a 6 cyl. and should have bought them. I currently have a fast burn ZZ4 with T56 ( .50% sixth ) transmission and Nissan Armada center section. I have used the JTR mounting system in all three of my Z's which puts the T56 shifter perfectly in the center of the factory opening. During the rebuild I installed fully adjustable; coil overs, shocks, camber plates, Wilwood brakes and a Miata power rack. The rack required removing the motor mounts from the crossmember so I fabricated mounts from the frame rails which let the motor sit lower once I found a smaller aftermarket balancer. I liked the idea of a 3X2 intake but have not been able to source a low rise unit for a ZZ4. I molded a new GTO style dash with hidden radio and AC controls and the painless wiring is almost complete. Since the Wilwood brakes are mustang 5 lug I will have to order new Daytons unless someone has a better suggestion. I am hoping the finished product will be ready by Christmas.

Escaladess

Thank you for the nice comments about my car as well.  Yeah, I wish I had bought more of those valve covers as I think I could have made a bunch of money keeping them for a few years and the selling them.  You would not believe how many people have asked me about them! 

 

I think the Fast Burn ZZ4 is a sweet motor and with almost 400HP coupled to a T56 it should be a really fast ride.  I might be wrong but I thought the aluminum heads on the ZZ4 would accept the single plane Offenhauser 3X2 tri-power manifold I have.  I got mine from Hot Rod Carbs  but you could also try Vintage Speed  http://vintagespeed.com/  and see what they can come up with.  

 

Did you check with Dayton on the wheels because you should only need new hubs to fit the five lugs and not have to buy all new wheels.  Just a thought, but maybe you could just get the existing hubs re-drilled if there is enough spacing. 

 

I noticed the camber plates and wondered if you had gone with coil overs.  BTW, I didn't and wish I had.  The reason I mentioned the Jags That Run book was what looked like motor mounts attached to the frame rails but now I understand why. 

 

Again, good luck and please keep the pictures coming. 

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