Chris Rummel's easy follow RB into Z wireing guide
Posted 23 October 2006 - 07:16 PM
Next, the disclaimer, although this guide should get you running, missing something along the way or making a mistake, like not disconnecting the battery while doing something etc and frying your ecu or something similar is not my fault, so don't blame me if something like that happens.
I'll be trying to make this stuff as clear as possible, but I want this guide to evolve, so if you guys find any part unclear, need a better shot of a connection or whatever don't be afraid to ask, look at it this way if you have the question, then someone else will have it too, and by clarifiying I won't continiue to get that same quesition over and over adnausium.
Finally I want to thank all those that helped me, primarily Myron, Q, Zcarnut, Stony, and Matt Hutchens, and to the HybridZ crew in toto, since most of my info I gleaned from here, I just wanted to give back a bit and turn that info into and easy to follow guide. I will also try to make clear the differences between Z's and note the different ways that you can go with different Z's. The swap I did was an R33 RB25DET into a 75 280Z from California. I got the engine etc from a clip so I'll note what you need to have if you are getting an engine/tranny harness package. I prefer to pull my own stuff from a clip because you get to see the stuff before it is taken appart, and you will know the harness has not been cut in the wrong place and that all the stuff is there, but some people prefer to get an engine/tranny/harness package on a pallet and that is ok too, just need to get it from somewhere reliable. This is an RB25DET but a RB26DEtt should be similar, I haven't done that swap so you are on your own with the differences. I also suggest you print out one of the available ecu pinout diagrams availible on here to help and a schematic of the RB and the Z car will be helpful as well.
With that lets go. This first pic you see the general reason why this can be intimidating. This is a shot of the engine harness that covers running the fuel injection. For Those getting a engine/Tranny/harness package, which will here after be refered to as an ETH, you will want to make sure that you have all the harness off of the engine as it goes through the firewall with the gromet and the ecu plug, this should also contain the eccs relay, and the main fuel injection relay, (they are side by side near the ecu plug) you will also need the ecu, and the main white plug that the ecu/engine harness connects to the rest of the skylines in car harness. you should preferably have about 3 feet or so of wire off the back of the white connector that would normally go to the ignition switch and other things inside the car. So if you pull it from a clip get that, if you get an ETH request it from who you are buying if from you can do the wiring without the white connector, but I found it made locating the wires and routing easier. You will also have a separate harness that goes to the tranny, alternator, starter, main hot, and IAC valve, you can do the wireing again without this separate harness and hook up the Z stuff on this side, but I found it easier to use the skyline tranny harness and splice it into the Z harness.
Posted 23 October 2006 - 07:28 PM
To the left of the white connections you see the main injection power relay and eccs relay twins, then finally left of that the ecu plug.
The first thing you want to do is remove the tape and covering from the harness up to the grommet. If you are doing a 240z you need not have done anything up to this point, to the car wiring wise. For a 280z before getting to this step you should have removed the engine and all the FUEL INJECTION WIRING from the car, it's pretty easy basically all the stuff on the left hand (drivers side U.S.) side of the car. Remove it all compleatly from the car, this includes the ecu, the stock fuel injection/fuel pump relays, the dropping resistors, grommet and all that stuff. You don't need to worry about the wiring on the passenger side of the car in the engine compartment.
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Posted 23 October 2006 - 07:48 PM
You are only going to need a few wires off of it so don't get spooked with all the wires coming off it. We will be making this much smaller, first thing you need to do is cut off this big piece of extranious white plastic, seen to the left of the white connector already cut off in this pic, also note all the harness tape has been removed. we are going to separate out the few wires, we need coming off this connector and leave them about 3 feet long, the ones we are not using will be cut off short and taped up to make this all smaller, again to fit easier in the space we are going to put it in.
Posted 23 October 2006 - 08:15 PM
The first wire is thin grey/red stripe this is wire AF09 the starter wire, you can trace it from pin 43 on the ecu.
The next wire is Thick Black/red stripe this is wire AF36 the main ignition power wire you can trace it to pin 45 on the ecu.
The next wire is the Thick solid red wire AF04 this is the main power for the fuel injection and goes to the ignition power relay
Next use a multimeter to trace the wire that comes off of pin 58 on the ecu it is thin white with black stripe this is battery back up/memory power for the ecu.
The next wire is Thin black/pink stripe #AF73 and goe to pin 18 on the ecu. This is the fuel pump signal, it's a switched ground signal that you use for your ground to switch your fuel pump relay,(I'll show how to wire that up later)
The next wire is Thin red/white stripe #AF10 from pin 32 off the ecu, also a switched ground this is the check engine light signal, use this as the ground side off a light that you can put in the dash, use a hot when on on the other side of the light for juice. This is not nessiary for the engine to start and run, but it is good to have for diagnosis of any ecu or sensor problems. I used the catalist light in the dash, since it is no longer needed for the cat.
The next wire is MF01 thin yellow/blue stripe that goes to pin 7 on the ecu this is the tach out signal for the tach. This is only needed if you are using the RB gauge cluster, because it is multiplexed and will not supply a good tach signal if you are using an aftermarket tach like I did. If you are using an Autometer, you will need to use a tach adapter (I'll show how to wire that later too) and you don't need to worry about this wire.
The next wire is Thin light blue, #AF99 this is the air regulator wire
Next wire is Thin blue/black stripe MA26 this is the water temperature signal (the one that goes to the stock Z gauge)
Next wire is thin blue/white stripe, #AF37 this is the power wire for the VTC, AAC valve, 02 sensor, and stock boost control solinoid.
lastly the main solid black ground, this is easy to see it consolidates all the grounds and ends in a ring terminal
Separate all these wires from the rest and leave them about 3 feet long, all the rest coming off the white connector can be cut off short and taped up, when you are done you have something that looks like this.
Posted 23 October 2006 - 08:27 PM
For those with 240z's and possibly 260's you will be making your connections here, for those with a 280z, you guys have it easier as your connections are almost plug and play since there is a plug that goes up to these wires on the fuel injected cars.
Note the colors here because I'll be refering to them for the hot connections. you have Thick white/red stripe this is constant hot it always has power.
Thick black/yellow stripe this is the ignition start signal wire.
and Thick black/white stripe this is hot when on, in other words when the key switch is turned to the on position then this wire has power.
to see what is in this pic you just need to unplug this from the back of the key switch. for those with a 280z you still need to find this so you can test for the wires at the plug that I'm going to refer to.
Posted 23 October 2006 - 08:32 PM
Posted 23 October 2006 - 08:38 PM
You will only be using the 2 white wires, with it pluged in like this use the multimeter to find the hot when on, (goes to the black/white stripe at the start switch) and the other one will be the start signal wire.
Posted 23 October 2006 - 09:09 PM
This area is really tight so I used a dremel to enlarge the hole, then you feed the harness in to the hole from the engine side, it is self explanitory when you do it. For 240z guys you really won't be able to get a drill with a hole saw up in this area so I suggest you use an 2 1/4 inch hole saw and make your harness come though in the passenger side foot well area.
You guys will of course have to lengthen the wires that go to the MAF etc then on the drivers side to get them over there. You will also need to add a fuel return line on the carbed cars.
Be sure and use shelded wire for the MAF wires and the O2 sensor wires when you lengthen them. Ok back on track, now we are going to connect some hots.
For guys with 240z's You take your thick solid red wire #AF04 and the thin white with black stripe wire that goes to pin 58 and connect both of them to the thick white with red stripe at the ignition switch.
For 280z guys you have a Thick solid red wire that goes straight to the battery via a fuseable link, this is what originally powered your fuel injection main relay and so you attach the two wires above to this wire, or if you prefer you can also attach it to the white with red stripe like the 240z guys, but I figured since this wire was already there, and was used for exactly the same function I decieded to use it.
Next for 240z's you take the Thick black/with red stripe wire #AF36 and connect it to the thick black/white stripe at the ignition switch.
For 280z's you connect this wire to the white wire from the plug that you traced to go to the thick black/white stripe wire.
Next for 240z's you take the thin grey/with red stripe wire #AF09 starter signal wire and connect it to the Black/yellow stripe wire at the ignition switch, for 280z's you connect this wire to the other white wire that remains from the plug.
This pic shows the plug with the 280z's connections.
This pic shows the wires ready to be connected
this one shows the starter signal connected
and this one shows the main red and ecu battery backup connected to the main hot from the battery.
and this one basically shows how all the wiring should go up in there.
Posted 23 October 2006 - 09:38 PM
Tap into a hot when on wire and run that as your hot to your light, then connect your check engine signal wire as the ground. here is a pic wired up this way to the catalist light connector.
Next take your Water temp gauge wire signal MA26 blue/black stripe wire and take it up to your stock temp gauge. remove the gauge and locate the plug on the back of it. you will see a yellow/white stripe wire on the back of it. unplug the gauge and at the connector that hangs down cut the yellow/white stripe wire or tap into it like I did. Note that the RB sender signal will not jive with the stock Z gauge so get the Z car sender out of your old L series engine to use for a proper signal, either that or use an aftermarket gauge. In this pic you see the back of the gauge with my fingers showing the yellow/white stripe wire.
and in this pic you see the wire tapped into the yellow/white wire at the connector.
The fuel pump signal wire you will be using for the ground on your fuel pump relay, this way the ecu has control of the fuel pump and will shut the pump off if the engine is not rotating, a good safety feature.
This one has probably the most variations, since early 280zs like this one had the fuel pump relay as part of the fuel injection relay and later ones have a separate one, I would say on the later z's run this in lieu of the one that came from the ecu to your relay, on early 280's you can do Like I did and use a generic 30 amp relay that runs straight to the battery using 10 gauge wire for the power supply. For this car I replaced the old pump with a universal walbro inline pump and mounted it in the stock location, abet with a bit of modding to the mount and removal of the pulse damper. You guys with 240'z's will need to add a pump like this anyway so you can use this info too. anyway run this wire accross to near the main fuse box in the passenger footwell, and use this wire as your ground on the relay, for the power supply to the relay run a 30amp fused 10 gauge wire from the battery to the input side of the relay then a 10 gauge wire out of the relay to the pump. For the other hot, to trigger the relay, look to the left of where I mounted the relay you will see a main connector, locate the thick black wire/white stripe going into a brown connector this is a hot when on. verify with a test light. for this I tapped it and ran one wire to the pump relay the other one I ran forward into the engine compartment to use as the sensor wire for the alternator through the voltage regulator delesion.
In this blurry pic you see the hot when on tap
In this one you see the pump signal wire routed and the tap again
this shot shows the mounting of the fuel pump relay.
finally this shows the mounting of the fuel pump itself.
Posted 23 October 2006 - 09:49 PM
So you need to do this. locate the AF36 wire you already connected at the switch or plug and get about 6 feet of at least 18 gauge wire. Take a vampire connector and tap into the AF36 wire with the light blue AF99 wire and one end of your 6 foot wire like in this pic. You can also add the blue/white VTC power wire into this vampire clip to power it up too. Note the engine will start and run without the VTC wire, as I powered this up later. This wire also powers the AAC valve, and powers the 02 sensor, so I have to drive the car again to see if it improves driveablity. hope so.
now take the other end of your 6 foot wire and run it out though the firewall into the engine compartment. Next locate the part of the engine harness that has the MAF connector on it. It should be on the drivers side of the car. Find the MAF connector and keep going to the end of the harness, you will find an 8 plug connector that used to connect to the front harness in the skyline, add a insulated spade connector to the end of your long wire and locate the thin solid gray wire in the 8plug connector. plug your wire into this connection. There! you just powered up the fuel injectors.
see in this pic
Posted 23 October 2006 - 10:16 PM
Then connect the 2 starter signal wires Yellow for Z and black/white RB like in this pic
Next connect the reverse switch wires from the z harness to the sender wires for that on the RB harness and do the same for the neutral switch like in this pic
You don't need to connect the speedo sender as this will only enable the top speed cut and you don' t want that do you? besides you will use this speedo sender to send a signal for the aftermarket speedo like the Autometer I used.
next if you use a greddy intake you will need to lengthen the two wires that go to the IAC valve since it is relocated I had already lengthend this since the plug is a bitch to get to even off the engine see this pic.
Posted 23 October 2006 - 10:36 PM
The yellow wire as it comes out of the voltage reg connector goes straight to the battery or in my case the isolator hot I made.
like in this pic
and this one.
Next at the alternator you can now just plug in the RB plug, the main Z harness alternator hot connection you connect to the RB main hot that goes to the same place, same with the main ground that goes there.
Then you hook up the starter just like before and make sure all your grounds are connected note in the above pic I made an isolator block by cutting the one out of the RB fuse box. I did this to make the main hot bolt right up and make my hot connections easy to hook up. I also elimianted the external voltage regulator because it is not needed anymore, and ditched the big old bracket that used to house the shunt and fusable links you can see in the pic that I now attached these to the fenderwell I then added a piece of rubber inner tube to cover all this and keep water off the hots. turned out really well.
And So there you have it, follow these instructions and your car should start and run. I'll post the Autometer speedo intructions, the tach instructions and the water temp gauge instructions separately because it is late and I'm getting punchy so I just wanted to get this info out there, now someone please make it a sticky for me.
If you have questions don't be afraid to ask.
Posted 24 October 2006 - 02:23 AM
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It's great you have made this available to anyone considering this swap. This site rocks!!
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