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#41 240hoke

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:18 AM

I recently finished taking my rear end apart and checking everything out. I ended up not liking the shimmed diff for the street. The diff had serious chatter, and caused the car to understeer. When going around tight corners I could feel the rear end just pushing me. I removed all the shims, dropping it back down to about 40ft/lbs of breakaway. I am now using Redline NS oil with additional friction modifier. I am very happy with the results.

I honestly dont know how many miles I put on hte car since I added the clutches, I would guess around 5K or so. I didnt see any significant wear or galling at all, just the blue surface has worn a bit.

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:19 AM

That is a great update and cool pic showing the wear on the clutches, which is very minimal to not even take off all the blued surface. As for handling and stuff, I can see where you are coming from. There are other factors like tires (size and compound), suspension setup (camber, bars & springs, etc) and what you are using the car for will have a big impact on how tight the diff should/can be.

I ran 40 lbs in my LSD in my 510 and worked great on the street, but when I had slicks on at the hillclimb, I'd get severe inside tire spin on the corners. So, big grip and hard corners will (or could) make it feel like an open diff, but that's the only time I had an issue. Thanks for the write up!

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Posted 23 September 2009 - 09:14 AM

Your Exactly right Savage, I should have noted my setup. I didn't have the issue as much when I was running 255 MT DR's but now that I am on 245 street rubber the chatter and pushing was much more pronounced.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 11:11 AM

I just rebuilt my diff last night using this article. 2 things I noticed are my stock plates and clutches are grooved and slotted not smooth like the replacement ones. The second thing is after removing the spacers and following the exact stacking procedure mentioned i still had 2 of the new clutches left over. of course i guess i could have used them in place 2 of my stock ones but the stock ones are grooved and looked perfect still. in closing make sure that you use a LSD additive or you will get alot of clunking when you turn under power. once you add the additive simply do a few circles left and right in a parking lot to work it all threw the diff and it will be smooth again.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 01:17 PM

Did you buy 4 clutches or 6? You shouldn't have had any left over if you got 4.

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Posted 04 February 2010 - 01:51 PM

There was 6 of them total. I didnt buy them they came in a box of stuff that came with the car, but I think they are from the group buy some one on here did. they was wired together with a paper tag that had some numbers on it. perhaps the fella who bought them bought 2 extra or something. I didnt bother shimming it or anything as it worked fine before and if anything should be a little tighter now as the thickness of the 4 clutches added up was a little thicker then the 2 shims added up, roughly .004 or so. oh well looks like i have 2 spares to hang on the wall.

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 02:42 PM

Gary, do you still have any disks left? Sorry but your PM box must be full.

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 08:09 PM

I would also like a full set of discs, my lsd is not acting so l, so I might as well upgrade in the process.

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:11 PM

I just picked up another small batch of clutches for anyone who needs them. Let me know and I can get them right out to you, as I have a few sets available.

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 10:20 PM

Ill take a set how much are they? andykyrk@yahoo.com

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 07:29 AM

Ill take a set how much are they? andykyrk@yahoo.com


Unlike everything else out there, they are still $50 for a set of 4 and $75 for a set of 6 and includes shipping in the USA via Priority Mail. Just got a new batch, so "come & get 'em". :)

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 07:17 PM

Unlike everything else out there, they are still $50 for a set of 4 and $75 for a set of 6 and includes shipping in the USA via Priority Mail. Just got a new batch, so "come & get 'em". :)


I'll take a set. Do I need 6 or four? I have a 300ZX LSD that came with the car. I assume that means I need six from the original writeup. PM me with your paypal info or preferred payment method.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 10:15 PM

You need 4 clutches, unless the original two in the diff are broken.

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Posted 15 July 2010 - 12:20 AM

Put me on the list for 4. I'll pm you
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Posted 17 July 2010 - 02:24 PM

Gary, I'll take a set of 6. I haven't inspected my diff clutches yet, but I figure I might as well get the full 6 pack.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 07:05 AM

What material is that clutch?
Could those be made by normal steel or stainless?

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 01:06 AM

Just as I expected. No one bothers to reply.
I know some are made by spring steel but could it be made by different kind of steel.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 07:49 AM

Just as I expected. No one bothers to reply.


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Posted 16 September 2010 - 06:14 PM

Hey guys, I need your help.

I picked up a R200 LSD and bought 6 'clutches' from Savage. I took the diff to a local guy who build r190's for his customers and he and I are a bit confused by what parts I need to complete the 6 clutch setup.

In reading the first post on this topic, it is suggested that the reinstall of the clutches and plates should be in this order:

spring disc
spring disc
clutch
plate
clutch
plate
clutch
center section
clutch
plate
clutch
plate
clutch
spring disc
spring disc

Here's the confusion: when he disassembled the diff/lsd, everything looked good from a wear perspective - but the 6 'clutches' I got are metal, but in the lsd there's only one set of friction 'plates(?)' that is installed from the factory. My question is two fold - 1, the 'clutches' I got from savage are metal which makes me think they are 'plates' because they have no friction material, is this correct? 2, where do I get the extra friction discs, (which I though were the clutches) to complete the setup? I need to get pictures to help you guys out, which I will try and obtain, but I'm confused as from everything I've seen about this topic is that the only parts I'd need is the 'clutches' from Savage. Are the parts I got from Savage the Clutches or the Plates? I bought 6 from savage that have the tabs on the inside.

If the metal pieces I got are the clutches, then what is the name of the other pieces that have the friction material (like a transmission clutch) called?

I have read and re-read this post many times and only seen one post about parts which refers to this link: http://www.mynismo.c...oducts/?id=3102, which confuses me even more.

any help you can provide is much appreciated.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 09:02 AM

Go back to the very first post in this thread and it's pretty straight forward as to what you need to do. If you want to use all 6 new clutches, then you take out the two existing ones and use all 6. If you retain the 2 OEM clutches, then just add the 4 clutches in the positions in this picture. This is how it's been done with the 100+ units that people have done over the years and not a single problem to date. (that I'm am aware of) Hope this helps.

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