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It would be a good race us on motor and you on the bottle. I think at Pinks all out in Charlotte we ran a 10.93 and then a 10.98. My brother talked to Jon Phillips and he is not coming, but wished everybody luck and a safe trip.

 

John

 

So how many cars does it look like at this point? I'm pretty sure Ted's not gonna make it either... . Is John Phillips coming? , I'm gonna hide John and Jerrys bottle and make them run me, them on motor, me on bottle... if they give me the move...

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Wonder if there is going to be any L28's I can line up against this year?

 

 

Hey Gabe, if I end up on the track I'll line up with you for grins--this being my first attendance of this event I don't know the rules but wouldn't mind getting a time slip. The web site is blocked (I'm @ work) so I can't read the safety rules... what is the minimum required to race, e.g., helmet, cage, etc?

 

I really just planned to spectate but all this hype is making me anxious to see what my (stock) car can do. I wouldn't push it too hard since I'm waiting for my diff mounts to come in and fix that 'clunk'. I do have to make the trip home so I also fear breaking something. : /

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awesome sounds great!.. Here is a cut and paste of the NHRA Rules

Some great info...

 

 

14.99

 

To prevent radiator overflow from leaking onto the track, NHRA requires an overflow can of at least one pint in volume. This can be as simple as routing a radiator overflow tube into a windshield washer reservoir.

 

All cars should also be equipped with a proper battery hold-down, even when the battery is in the stock location. Factory stock hold-downs are acceptable in this case. Otherwise, bolts of 3/8-inch diameter must be used to retain the battery. Lug nuts are another area of concern, especially with aftermarket wheels. NHRA recommends all cars be equipped with open-ended lug nuts to allow the inspector to verify the length of thread engagement.

 

Obviously, all lug nuts and studs must be in place. For slower cars, this isnt a critical point, especially when using O.E.M. wheels. But with faster cars and aftermarket wheels, the concern is that the lug nut engage the threads of the stud for a distance at least equal to the diameter of the stud. Inquire at your local track as to what the tech inspector will accept.

 

Since fire is an ever-present threat, NHRA specifies no more than a total of 12 inches of rubber fuel line in the fuel delivery system. This includes the rubber line between the pickup and an external fuel pump and also between the fuel pump and carburetor. In the case of an accident, rubber line is susceptible to damage that could cause a fire. Investing in either steel hard line or braided-steel fuel line is both wise and far safer than using rubber fuel line. Some type of reverse lockout for aftermarket shifters is also required for all cars.

 

13.99

 

NHRA requires a DOT, SNELL or SFI helmet for any car quicker than 14.00. There are a number of different specs so you should check with your local tech inspector.

 

For cars that run e.t.s between 12.00 and 13.99, all of the above requirements apply along with the addition of a driveshaft loop. A new-for-95 rule exempts cars running 13.00 and slower when equipped with street tires. Since traction is the key to going quick, this places more strain on the driveshaft. To prevent the driveshaft from breaking at the front U-joint area and perhaps coming into the interior of the car, or digging into the track and pole-vaulting the car, NHRA mandates that a steel loop be placed just behind the front U-joint of the driveshaft. A universal driveshaft loop is available from Lakewood that bolts to the floorpan. A rollbar is required in this e.t. bracket only if the car is a convertible.

 

11.99

 

By the time a car is capable of running between 11.00 and 11.99 seconds in the quarter-mile, safety requirements are especially important. Up until this point, factory seatbelts are acceptable, but in the 11-second-and-quicker time zone you need a quality safety harness. The minimum requirement is a 3-inch-wide, five-point harness meeting SFI spec 16.1. The 1995 National Hot Rod Association Rulebook outlines the proper way to mount the shoulder harness and belts.

 

An NHRA-legal rollbar is also required in the category. Recent rule changes have reconfigured what NHRA classifies as a rollbar. The classic four-point bar is no longer acceptable. The new standard is mild-steel tubing of at least .120-inch wall thickness (most chassis companies, like Art Morrison, use .134-inch wall tubing) that includes a forward-running side bar from the main hoop past the drivers shoulder. This bar is only required on the drivers side, but most systems include both sides for a six-point rollbar.

 

An SFI-approved scattershield is also necessary in this e.t. category. NHRA requires the scattershield to have an SFI aluminum-foil sticker. According to Red Roberts of McLeod Industries, older bellhousings can be certified by sending the scattershield and block plate to the original manufacturer. The company will inspect the housing and if it passes, it will receive an SFI 6-1 certification. Most SFI certifications are good for five years. Contact your manufacturer if youre not sure.

 

The clutch and flywheel must also be SFI certified. The main consideration in this area is to avoid using a cast-iron flywheel. According to Roberts, sometime in the mid-70s most of the new car companies began using nodular iron flywheels that are much safer. Most, if not all, current high-performance aluminum and steel flywheels are safe when used in conjunction with an approved scattershield, but the rules state that the pressure plate and flywheel need an SFI certification number. Roberts says the best plan is to record all your SFI numbers in a logbook. This makes it easier for the tech inspector and it shows the inspector that you understand the importance of the inspection process. This e.t. level also requires steel valve stems in all wheels, along with arm restraints for open-cockpit cars like roadsters.

 

10.99

 

Cars running between 10.00 and 10.99 need all the above-mentioned safety equipment, plus drivers protective clothing, aftermarket axles and an SFI-approved harmonic balancer. The driver needs to have at least a single-layer, SFI-approved jacket such as those sold by companies like Diest, Simpson, RJR and others, as well as long pants and approved drivers gloves.

 

The aftermarket axle requirement also extends to installing a C-clip eliminator kit in any rearend that uses a C-clip to retain the rear axle, such as the GM 10- and 12-bolts and the Ford 8.8-inch rearends. While the current NHRA axle rule does not include an SFI spec for axles, experienced axle manufacturers such as Summers Brothers, Mark Williams, Strange and others offer axles intended for this kind of abuse.

 

Harmonic balancers first became a subject of concern on blown cars that placed enormous loads on the balancer driving the supercharger. Now, any car running quicker than 10.99 needs an SFI-approved harmonic balancer to be legal. Companies like Vibratech, TCI, BHJ and others can supply the necessary legal part.

 

A new NHRA safety rule change for 1995 states that cars running between 10.00 and 10.99 must have a rollcage unless the car has an unaltered firewall, floorpan and body (except for wheeltubs). This means if you have a street car with a stock floorpan and firewall but have tubbed it for bigger tires, all you need is a five-point rollbar until the car runs quicker than 10.00. Of course, a rollcage is perfectly acceptable if you wish to install one.

 

9.99

 

Now were into the really quick cars, those running from 9.00 to 9.99 seconds in the quarter. These cars are blazingly fast and capable of speeds approaching 150 mph. Significant improvements must be made to the car in order to step into the 9-second zone. Foremost among these is a rollcage. The cage must be constructed of mild-steel tubing at least 15/8 inch in diameter, with .120-inch wall thickness. It can also be chrome-moly tubing of .083-inch wall thickness with a total of eight attachment points. These eight points refer to the placement of the cage surrounding the driver, including the two rear support bars. NHRA does not require bars that run forward to the front suspension, although many cage designs include them. All cars running 9.99 or quicker must have the cage certified by NHRA and have the NHRA certification sticker attached to the cage.

 

Attached to the cage is a window net to keep the drivers arms inside the car. The driver must also wear a neck collar and fireproof clothing meeting an SFI spec. Additional requirements include an NHRA competition license, an external electrical shutoff and a flexplate/automatic transmission shield. If your car can run over 150 mph in the quarter, as many of these cars do, then NHRA also requires a parachute to help slow the car down. Now that weve primed the pump, your best bet is to obtain a 1995 NHRA Rulebook for $10 and carefully read the E.T. Bracket General Regulations section. The Rulebook specifies exactly what will be required depending upon your cars e.t. capability. Drag racing with fast street cars is tons of fun. Its even better when you do it safely.

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awesome sounds great!.. Here is a cut and paste of the NHRA Rules

Some great info...

 

 

14.99

 

To prevent radiator overflow from leaking onto the track, NHRA requires an overflow can of at least one pint in volume. This can be as simple as routing a radiator overflow tube into a windshield washer reservoir.

 

 

I don't think I'll break 15 and seriously doubt I'd ever get close to 14> with my stock set up having smog, A/C and those boat anchor bumpers--not to mention worn mounts! Oh yeah, add another buck for stereo eq. lol

 

What did you turn when you were stock (pre-turbo)? I'm thinkin' you'll need to give me 3.2 - 4 sec? :mrgreen:

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Assuming you have a stock 280Z with 149 HP weighing in at 2900 your 1/4 mile time should be around 16.5 according to http://robrobinette.com/et.htm Of course there are all sorts of varibles but I punched in my specs 265 RWHP at 2905 it said 12.93 which is almost exactly what I turned last year.

 

 

 

I don't think I'll break 15 and seriously doubt I'd ever get close to 14> with my stock set up having smog, A/C and those boat anchor bumpers--not to mention worn mounts! Oh yeah, add another buck for stereo eq. lol

 

What did you turn when you were stock (pre-turbo)? I'm thinkin' you'll need to give me 3.2 - 4 sec? :mrgreen:

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When I got this Z it has a lower compression 3.0 ltr stroked motor. I ran a 15.7

 

 

Ok, I need a 5 sec handicap `cause I know you did some tuning! :icon45:

 

Realistically, it's prob not in my best interest to abuse the car; however, I wouldn't have a problem running a road course for fun... who knows, enough smack talking and peer pressure may get me on that track yet!

 

Looking forward to meeting everyone but my son has finals Friday so we don't anticipate rolling in there `till ~7p at the earliest.

 

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I think Im the only one coming from the Mobile Area.

 

No RB-Zs coming? Awww..... I was hoping your homies were coming too!

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We'll all still be there...we usually stay up till around 2:00AM shooting the shirt in the parking lot... Don't worry, you CAN'T be late.

 

Just remember folks, NO starting cars and revving them past 9:00 at night...Please be respectful of other guests, and NO BURNOUTS in the parking lot. The Byron PD will be on patrol that night as it's a long weekend. They (all 4 of them) DO NOT PLAY.

 

There will be plenty of time to race your cars at the track...no need to get a fast driving award before (or after) the event.

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ALso as far as the rules...they are pretty lax. Here is what you needto make sure you do:

 

Radiator Overflow canister present (and drained)

NO batteries inside the passenger compartment (unless in a good box)

Battery Well Secured

Throttle Return spring (if you are still mechanical ;) )

 

That all they checked on me....and they gave me alot of ♥♥♥♥ about having a DRY CELL metal jacket battery in a aluminum case in my car!!!!!!!

 

They never checked for DS loops or harnesses etc.

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i'll run you gabe,you will whoop my arse but it will all be in fun. My truck the last time at the track on stock rb20 turbo and stock boost ran [email protected] i cant do burn outs because of wheel hop so i cant launch good either. My 60 foots were like 2.5's with that 15.0 time. Im just about to go outside and adjust my pinion angle to see if it helps. There will be at least one rb powered viehicle there :D oh and when i ran my 76 280z stock i managed a 15.5 but my bumpers were off and i put qa 5sp in it.

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i'll run you gabe,you will whoop my arse but it will all be in fun. My truck the last time at the track on stock rb20 turbo and stock boost ran [email protected] i cant do burn outs because of wheel hop so i cant launch good either. My 60 foots were like 2.5's with that 15.0 time. Im just about to go outside and adjust my pinion angle to see if it helps. There will be at least one rb powered viehicle there :D oh and when i ran my 76 280z stock i managed a 15.5 but my bumpers were off and i put qa 5sp in it.

 

Heck yeah Scotty!! sounds like fun!!

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Hey guys, time is almost here. What time does everybody think they will be ariving at the guest hotel? We are trying to decide what time to pull out Friday. It is usually a 3.5 hour drive for us.

 

It will be nice to relax some and see some old friends and also meet new friends.

 

Hope everybody has a safe trip. We will travleing I-20 west towards GA for a good ways. If anyone has a problem give us a call and we will try to help. My cell is 803-600-1754.

 

See Ya Soon....

 

John

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Hey John...I'm still thrashing (what a surprise eh) and it's your fault! :o) You will understand when we meet up...depending on when I get done, I plan on getting there mid to late afternoon. Everyone be safe and see ya there.

 

Wayne

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You haven't lost your red stick have you. Just kidding..... What do you mean my fault. Only thing I have been doing the past 5 weeks is body work, primer, and painting along with buffing and polishing. Well also had to put the car back together with Jerry's new Nitrous motor. Hell th car is to pretty now for my old ugly engine.... Go figure......

 

Wayne call me if you need anything, will be glad to bring it and help you out... PM Me for my cell number...

 

John

 

Hey John...I'm still thrashing (what a surprise eh) and it's your fault! :o) You will understand when we meet up...depending on when I get done, I plan on getting there mid to late afternoon. Everyone be safe and see ya there.

 

Wayne

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With that storm system in florida the weather is wacky. The news people can't really predect the weather anyway. The last I saw it was 30% chance and isolated showers. It will probably be nice and sunny for Friday and Saturday...... If not we will have a big party at the guest hotel and I will buy the 1st round.....

 

We are still ago as far as I know. The van is loaded, gased up. All we have left is to load the car in the morning...

 

See everybody soon.

 

John

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John, thank you very much, and YES, it is YOUR fault! I'm too old to be working this hard to try and keep up with J&J, (not that I could anyway) :o) Sure do appreciate your kindness...should be good to go. I think Warren and I have the same goal..just wanna make one run all the way down the track..YeeeHaaawww! See y'all there

 

Wayne

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Sorry Guys...The event was cancelled due to rain. We can control alot of things, but unfortunately, weather isn't one of them.

 

Thanks to all who DID show up. We'll be making plans for the next (replacement) event soon.

 

Warren

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Sorry Guys...The event was cancelled due to rain. We can control alot of things, but unfortunately, weather isn't one of them.

 

Thanks to all who DID show up. We'll be making plans for the next (replacement) event soon.

 

Warren

 

Yeah, it was a disappointment but got to put faces to some really great people; enjoyed meeting everyone!

 

In case you missed out.... http://forums.hybridz.org/album.php?albumid=88

 

We cut a half-hour off our time going back partly interstate to 300 thru Albany and finally ignored the GPS once we got to Marianna, FL. :)

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