stony Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 No i love my car... would do it all over again. BUT If you are worried about how much the swap will cost...dont bother. I love the way it sounds i will eventually put a small muffler on it just because i love the way the motor sounds at full song with the waste gate wide open!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getoffmyinternet Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Can't beat it. Sounds halfway between muscle car and sports car, a good fit for the s30 I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Purple240zt Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 LS1.. and if your still happy pants for an RB and want a mid/high 400whp rb25det setup drop me an email. It is just a cherry picker and pallet away from you! Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zangiefisgod Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 I wonder if this setup would fit... I like how you can spin the stock mani's around like that. Probably frees up some room around the side/rear near the steering shaft too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 anything will fit with the right tools and enough money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zangiefisgod Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 OK... so the LS1 is apparently the better choice. What is the best way to achieve 500 whp? All motor is probably very pricey, mild build + nitrous is probably the cheapest, but a single turbo setup would be my personal preference... What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zangiefisgod Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 Front mounts like OFI, Kentucky & APS may be difficult (if possible) with the limited room between the block and radiator; considering Aki's significantly rearward positioned LS1 swap: Compared to the OEM: I have no measurements, but the Z32 bay looks considerably more cramped. Thoughts??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garvice Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm confused why you think the ls1 is a more direct swap??? If you want more displacement and better off boost torque import an RB30 block. With the RB assuming as you say you can use the existing transmission, you won't have to worry about transmounts/custom driveshafts, no cutting firewall/transmission tunnel (Assumming the RB25 bellhousing is no bigger then the z32). So all your talking about is, engine mounts, fuel lines (May not need re-routing), exhaust, intercooler/piping. LS1 as Braap has detailed will require firewall modifications, transmission tunnel modifications, you have to modify the inside of your dash and loose some of your standard accessories, you will have to look at different exhaust headers or modify the steering rack, etc, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getoffmyinternet Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 OK... so the LS1 is apparently the better choice. What is the best way to achieve 500 whp? All motor is probably very pricey... I thought one of the key arguments is that the ls1 would be cheapish? So all your talking about is, engine mounts, fuel lines (May not need re-routing), exhaust, intercooler/piping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zangiefisgod Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm confused why you think the ls1 is a more direct swap???If you want more displacement and better off boost torque import an RB30 block. With the RB assuming as you say you can use the existing transmission, you won't have to worry about transmounts/custom driveshafts, no cutting firewall/transmission tunnel (Assumming the RB25 bellhousing is no bigger then the z32). So all your talking about is, engine mounts, fuel lines (May not need re-routing), exhaust, intercooler/piping. LS1 as Braap has detailed will require firewall modifications, transmission tunnel modifications, you have to modify the inside of your dash and loose some of your standard accessories, you will have to look at different exhaust headers or modify the steering rack, etc, etc, etc. By 'direct swap' I mean you don't have to mix & match transmission parts to swap the LS1/t56. Although firewall fabrication is required, it's free, and solves most (if not all) of the other fittament issues. The topic in question was if it's cheaper to achieve 500 whp with the LS1 or the RB26. From the responses so far, it seems the LS1 gives a better bang-for-your-buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FASTKINGCAB Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 OK... so the LS1 is apparently the better choice. What is the best way to achieve 500 whp? All motor is probably very pricey, mild build + nitrous is probably the cheapest, but a single turbo setup would be my personal preference... What do you guys think? Stock bottom end, Heads, Cam. 500WHP all day you'll have about $2500 in the engine work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
260DET Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 In the US why would anyone go with a RB26 when a LS will fit? JDM madness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getoffmyinternet Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 In the US why would anyone go with a RB26 when a LS will fit? JDM madness? That's a good way to put it I wanted a challenge, something that would be the same breed, and likely get better mileage. Plus I like the new technology aspect as opposed to just building an l28 or something. An ls1 would be the only other engine I would consider though because it meets some of these requirements. An old 350 etc. just wouldn't be the same, but then neither is having a chevy powered nissan to me... If I didn't go jdm I probably would have done an sr20, but I digress... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarik Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 the only reason to swap to an RB26 is so you can work on your engine easier. the VG will make just as much hp and tons more torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Hoedemaker Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 The RB series is a totally different engine, than an american V8. The characteristics are totally different to. V8 is all torque, and with more displacement comes more HP. Still the american V8 has bad HP to engine size, compared to Euro or Jap cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19762802+2 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 The RB will look cool, when ya show it off someone will say what's that but it is still about the price and that depends on what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwik240z Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 After much research, I am going to throw this out there... What's a better swap for the Z32, the RB26dett or LS1??? Both will require custom mounts, costs about the same (used motor), weigh about the same & both have a strong aftermarket following. RB26dett +: - Little-to-no firewall fabriation required - Retention of Z32 trans (with RB25 bell housing), OEM gauges, HVAC LS1 +: - 2x+ the displacement, 6 speed trans - Cheaper in the long run (debatable?) - More of a direct swap (#'s match, all OEM, etc) Goals for the car: - Sub $5,000 swap (not including labor) - 500 whp+ What do you guys think? Hi Zangiefisgod, Since you are considering these two swaps, how about telling us how you plan to use the car. This information will be helpful in determining which would be better for your intended purpose. Also, you seem to ahve a figure of 500rwhp in your mind for this project. Why did you choose this figure? I guess this again comes down to what the car will be used for. Do you want a 10 second 1/4 mile car? A weekend cruiser? An autocross car? A track day car? A combination of them all? The reason I bring this up is that you seem to be planning on doing this swap on a $5000 budget and it may be possible that you will be very happy with a 350RWHP car which can be achieved with a stock LS1. Many people get hung up on Building a Killer Motor when all they really want to do is own a cool car with an engine swap. many people also dream of 500RWHP and have never even driven a 500RWHP car. As the owner of an LS1 powered Z car, I know that in the beginning planning stages of my swap, I considered building killer engine and found that a stock LS1 is plenty of go for my intended uses. Weekend cruiser, track days, auto crosses and a run down the 1/4 mile once in a while. As for which engine, the LS1 will be an easier swap for $5K and my LS1 gets 31MPG on the hwy at 80mph (1900rpms) in 6th gear. It also runs the 1/4 mile in the 12s and is very reliable. Parts are easy to get if you need them. The low end torque is so nice and makes for a better street car because all the power is right there without having to rev the piss out of it. By the way, I am in Maryland too. If you want to see how a stock LS1 runs in a Z car, come on down I will take you for a spin. Most people get out of my car and say, "WOW!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zangiefisgod Posted September 19, 2009 Author Share Posted September 19, 2009 Hi Zangiefisgod, Since you are considering these two swaps, how about telling us how you plan to use the car. This information will be helpful in determining which would be better for your intended purpose. Also, you seem to ahve a figure of 500rwhp in your mind for this project. Why did you choose this figure? I guess this again comes down to what the car will be used for. Do you want a 10 second 1/4 mile car? A weekend cruiser? An autocross car? A track day car? A combination of them all? The reason I bring this up is that you seem to be planning on doing this swap on a $5000 budget and it may be possible that you will be very happy with a 350RWHP car which can be achieved with a stock LS1. Many people get hung up on Building a Killer Motor when all they really want to do is own a cool car with an engine swap. many people also dream of 500RWHP and have never even driven a 500RWHP car. As the owner of an LS1 powered Z car, I know that in the beginning planning stages of my swap, I considered building killer engine and found that a stock LS1 is plenty of go for my intended uses. Weekend cruiser, track days, auto crosses and a run down the 1/4 mile once in a while. As for which engine, the LS1 will be an easier swap for $5K and my LS1 gets 31MPG on the hwy at 80mph (1900rpms) in 6th gear. It also runs the 1/4 mile in the 12s and is very reliable. Parts are easy to get if you need them. The low end torque is so nice and makes for a better street car because all the power is right there without having to rev the piss out of it. By the way, I am in Maryland too. If you want to see how a stock LS1 runs in a Z car, come on down I will take you for a spin. Most people get out of my car and say, "WOW!" qwik240z, Thanks for the invite to check out your Z, I'll shoot you a PM to get more details. My goal for this project is to ultimately build a fast street car. I want to start with a platform that will get me to 500 whp without building the engine, but still has potential to run much faster. I came up 500 whp as a figure that would allow me to run in the C6 ZO6 ballpark, to start. The only reason that I am not considering just swapping a VG30dett is because of the pains of working in/around the engine bay and sheer weight of the motor. Also, since I plan to reduce the weight of the chassis to around 3,000 lbs, the aluminum LS1 seems like a favorable alternative. I've also been researching LT1's as another option, simply due to the significantly reduced entry price and equal aftermarket following. My gut feeling is that the SBC is the better choice; whether the LS1 or LT1. The Z32 is a porker and stepping down in displacement probably isn't the smartest move I'm thinking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehannum Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Wow, you're gonna cut 800 pounds from the car? Where were you planning on finding that, exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slammed68 Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Some people need to slow down and think about ♥♥♥♥, seriously. LQ4 6.0 Iron block LS motor weighs approx ~80 lbs more than an LS1, can be had for around 800 bucks for a LONGBLOCK... and have the displacement advantage. Get an LQ4 - good cam and head package, rod bolts, and you will be SET for THOUSANDS cheaper than an LS1 or RB26 setup. My LQ4 swapped heads and cam car is my DAILY DRIVER, and starts and runs SMOOTH EVERY DAY. - unless your JDUM at heart and just have to have that straight 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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