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Mercedes Benz M104 engine for the 240Z

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MAG58    13

Oh don't you worry none, they're nuts.

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That said, they have big heavy cars and big heavy cars need bigger heavier engines. I'm just reaping the benfits (with my dinky little Japanese car) of the removal of very capable I6's to go to much larger capacity engines with many many more cylinders ;).

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PanzerAce    15

Yah, the most common answer to "how do I get more power" seems to be "swap in a 500". They like power, they just like low engine power alot more then we do.

 

Mag, going to be hitting the road in a bit, should have some answers for you when next on the computer.

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bradyzq    12

Have you tried Elgin Cams? http://www.elgincams.com

 

They have a Mercedes section (and Datsun!)

 

Copied this from their site.

 

No affiliation, BTW...

 

MERCEDES BENZ PROFILES

We have the following stock masters for regrinding Mercedes cams. If you do not see your model listed below, we can still regrind your Mercedes cams but please allow another week.

190 SL 230 S 300 E

190 D 240 D 300 SL

220 S 1958-59 250 300 TD

220 1964 250 CPE. 380 SL

220 4 CYL. 280 SE 450 SEL

220 D 280 TWIN CAM 450 SEL HYD.

230 SL 300 D 6.9 V8

PERFORMANCE CAMS AVAILABLE FOR NEARLY ALL GASOLINE MERCEDES CAMS. PLEASE CALL FOR SPECIFICS.

If the bearing journals are worn undersize on your Mercedes cam, it is still possible to save it. If the cam towers are still in good condition, we can build up your worn journals with chrome plating and then grind them back to their proper size. If your cam towers are worn oversize or are out of round, the dealer can occasionally supply underzise cam towers and we will grind down your bearing journals to fit these towers.

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MAG58    13

Update: No response from delta yet, Elgin says I should stay with the stock cam...pfft.

 

I contacted Colt and recieved a response from the owner less than 24 hours later. A quick phone call states that he can take and inspect the cams free of charge and provide me with available profiles that I can grind the cams to. Given the 24 lobes he believes that the cost should be in the 4-500 dollar range which is substantially cheaper than the quotes I have been getting else where and less than half what a set from the fatherland would cost me.

 

Goeff (the owner) is a great person to deal with and since he's never dealt with them before, he'd be doing the work on them.

 

Great customer service, I'm happy to say. I'll probably be shipping him some cams in a few weeks to see what the prognosis will be ;)

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MAG58    13

As I kind of expected, I can pretty much get any grind I want to on the cams, there's plenty of meat as long as I can make up for the valvetrain geometry at some point (shouldn't be an issue with direct acting cams, relative to the more complex rocker type).

 

That said, I want to get the car running, and see what it's capable of in completely stock configuration. I figure if my car is gonna be the performance mule, might as well see what she'll do as she left the factory at Mercedes.

 

After we get the thing sorted, I'll probably send my spare head to BRAAP as money and time allows and allow the good folks at Colt Cams to go nuts. Then we'll see what I can get my 0-Mother of God time down to.

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Turbo E320    10

Hey sorry for the late bump but I recognize that motor ;). I think you and I talked. If you want to solve your stroke problems, get C36 rods since the C36 has the same crank as a 350SD.

 

That's an interesting way to make a 3.2L with the first gen m104. Very cool.

 

Here's my 97 M104 ;)

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MAG58    13

I believe we have talked as well. The hardest part for me is finding the C36 rods not attached to the rest of the C36. Luckily here in the corn belt E85 is plentiful and cheap So I'm going to see what a smaller displacement motor can make before I dump some stroke in it. Your W210 was already quick and a Z is just a fraction of that weight.

 

Have you got your other motor lined up yet? I never heard if you were going M113/M119/M120 :shock: or any of the new M2xx engines.

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FlatBlack    17
Excellent stuff. I emailed Colt, Elgin, and Delta. We'll see what they say!

 

I'm pretty excited to try and mock this beast up over turkey day.

 

Bob what ever happened to this? Any surprises?

 

Do you have the dimensions on the Getrag as well?

 

[sorry buddy I know you're not done with school yet :burnout:]

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MAG58    13

Well being not dead is more important than figuring out how much power I can throw at a tranny before it pops. So do that first (I feel you though, I've had all sorts of respiratory infections for the last week)

 

And I guess I'll start taking pictures again. Sigh. You guys are making me be productive.

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PanzerAce    15
Well being not dead is more important than figuring out how much power I can throw at a tranny before it pops. So do that first (I feel you though, I've had all sorts of respiratory infections for the last week)

 

And I guess I'll start taking pictures again. Sigh. You guys are making me be productive.

rgr. The V6 trans (720.620?, can't remember right now) is according to sources good to around 450whp, but beyond that is kind of a crap shoot, just since it's never really been tried.

 

Oh, and as if coughing up lungs wasn't enough, I'm also trying to avoid hydroplaning into a semi, what with the inch and a half of rain in two days...

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Turbo E320    10

They can't take ♥♥♥♥ lol. Get a 5speed Getrag(its a dog leg style tranny :D) out of a 190e 16v or the 5 speed from the 190e 2.6. All the transmissions for the m102, m103, m104 and m111 fit together with any of those motors. The Getrag is good for 500 ft lbs of torque till it starts to break up, the 2.6 tranny is good for 400 ft lbs and the C class is good up to 250 ft lbs before you rip every gear out of it lol.

 

I just noticed you live in Indiana. Whereabouts in Indiana because I'm here in Jeff.

 

EDIT: If your looking for automatic stuff you can mix and match transmissions to get basically a race transmission.

 

You'll need the 722.6 out of the 97 E320 since it is the only version of the 722.6 that fits the m104. Then you need to get your hands on a 722.6 from an SL600 or an SLR lol. You ultize the valve body, gears and bell housing from the 97 and, in a nut shell, you use the case, clutch retainers, clutch packs, and shift solenoids from the SL600 transmission. Consquently I have both ;).

 

Another option if you don't want to mess with electronic transmissions is to get the 722.3 four speed auto out of a 300E or pre-95 E320. There are several people who make racing grade parts for those transmissions as well.

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Daeron    11
I'd love to find a 16v getrag (same as the one used in the E30 M3) unfortunately it's only 1:1 top gear, so It would be necessary to source a taller rear gear than something like a 3.54

 

Pretty sure that autos, or maybe maximas or something with an R200 came with a 3.2x rear gearset.. unless your talking about using a german rear diff too

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MAG58    13

Colt says he could do it, and he'd do it personally, it'd be 4-500 for the pair whatever grind we wanted. That includes cam analysis to see what can go on it, along with the grind, hardening and parkerizing.

 

And price on a 404?

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