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I know, but at a certain point, it's a common modification (if you're requiring it) to go to a larger 9-13L diesel mercedes IP as they used that similar style of IP in a whole bunch of larger diesels in eurpoe.

 

My questions was whether or not Scott could use a MBZ IP to fuel his LD28T expedition...

 

 

No idea to be honest. That project is annoyingly halted right now for a couple of reasons...

 

messing around with the IP is actually way down on the list of stuff for me to do. I'm going to get it running well on all the boost it'll make first, then probably modify the stock IP first, run it a few thousand miles, pull it all apart, check for any wierd wear patterns, and if all is good, then start messing with the IP.

 

As for what can fit...I'm pretty sure almost any not very modern IDI IP pump will work if it's for a six originally.

 

Oh, and next time I see you online, I'm going to hit you up about turbo selection for the 104s, since Matt has shown me the error of my N/A ways :burnout:

 

 

 

 

Actually, come to think of it, by the time I get to that point with the LD, I almost might as well start on a MB diesel swap.....hmmmmmm

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Considering the success of diesel powered open wheel race cars, I suspect we will see more diesel conversions in the near future. Especially after more donor cars find their way to salvage yards here in the States. I would love to build a diesel powered road course car. It would be a real conversation piece.

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I think the thing *should* clear. It's mid mounted (the engine mounts are in the center of the motor) and you have to create a second crossmember anyways, but a little notching in the front cross member and I think it'll wedge in there.

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I think the thing *should* clear. It's mid mounted (the engine mounts are in the center of the motor) and you have to create a second crossmember anyways, but a little notching in the front cross member and I think it'll wedge in there.

 

Wouldn't that interfere with the radiator though?

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I'm not talking about moving it forward, I want to move it back!. By making a cradle similar to how the SBF guys do or JohnC made for his JZ mounts and slide the motor all the way back, it should fit with a simple notching of the front x-member. It'll be tight, but MBZ designed both the M104 (and the OM60x variants) to be as short as possible. The thing had to fit in spaces that barely held smaller V8's length wise, or as an upgrade from the M102 so it needed to be thin.

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I'm not talking about moving it forward, I want to move it back!. By making a cradle similar to how the SBF guys do or JohnC made for his JZ mounts and slide the motor all the way back, it should fit with a simple notching of the front x-member. It'll be tight, but MBZ designed both the M104 (and the OM60x variants) to be as short as possible. The thing had to fit in spaces that barely held smaller V8's length wise, or as an upgrade from the M102 so it needed to be thin.

 

Woops, I thought you said notch the front of the crossmember. If i can find a cheap diesel mercedes, I might just do it, to drive the car around until I get another motor built.

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Woops, I thought you said notch the front of the crossmember. If i can find a cheap diesel mercedes, I might just do it, to drive the car around until I get another motor built.

The OM606 (which is the engine he has) is still a little bit on the pricey side, IMO since it was only mid-late 90's up. The OM603 is the SOHC motor that is substantially cheaper and can be had in practically any W123/4/6 Before 1997ish iirc. You can get those in 3.0 and 3.5L variants, but the earliest motors with #14 heads tended to crack (most have been replaced by now but you should always check) and the non-factory replacement 3.5L have been known to have longevity issues. Both of which should be a non issue by now but figured you should know. Both can be had in turbo variants. For performance issues as well as choosing the right transmission, check out any of the superturbo diesel forums on the web of the diesel section of Peachparts.com.

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That's what is in the 240D. Unless you get an 85+ 240D, then it's an OM602. Both are great engines.

 

I will be the first one to congratulate you if you can kill one.

 

Just get a Myna modified pump (what that youtube video had most likely) and your choice of holset and it should scare you senseless.

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That's what is in the 240D. Unless you get an 85+ 240D, then it's an OM602. Both are great engines.

 

I will be the first one to congratulate you if you can kill one.

 

Just get a Myna modified pump (what that youtube video had most likely) and your choice of holset and it should scare you senseless.

 

Ask my sister, she ran one with half a quart of oil for a year, before she put it into a wall.

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That's what is in the 240D. Unless you get an 85+ 240D, then it's an OM602. Both are great engines.

 

I will be the first one to congratulate you if you can kill one.

 

Just get a Myna modified pump (what that youtube video had most likely) and your choice of holset and it should scare you senseless.

 

how complex are the pistons inside the IP? we have a 3-axis Fadal here at school, and a handful of CNC lathes. I know calibrating the pump is where the difficulty comes in, but if i can grab a handful of IP's from a junkyard i can always try trial and error of modding it myself. I know these things are like clock work but im a bit hesitant to fork over more than a grand over to Finland for an IP.

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I honestly have no Idea. I know that the euro pumps are different than our pumps and are more easy to modify, but past that I haven't really looked into this whole pump jazz. I do know that if you start up a pump company in the states there is some money to be had.

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how complex are the pistons inside the IP? we have a 3-axis Fadal here at school, and a handful of CNC lathes. I know calibrating the pump is where the difficulty comes in, but if i can grab a handful of IP's from a junkyard i can always try trial and error of modding it myself. I know these things are like clock work but im a bit hesitant to fork over more than a grand over to Finland for an IP.

.....In a week or so I might PM you for an address to send a large box ;)

 

 

 

and on that vein, what IPs would be *most* useful to have pulled apart and modded?

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http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/myna-diesel-pump-for-sale-t-1093.html

 

i think myna-diesel is the finland based company that mods them?

 

http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/ip-full-load-adjustment-procedure-for-mw-pumps-t-189.html

 

and based on this it can be found on the OM602/3 Americans since it only lists the OM61x (i.e. OM617) being on the "european" models... I'll keep looking for more info. I would really love to see what makes these things tick.

 

Edit: JACKPOT! http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pZMMSqp3uSZdyqyAJ0XqRCA list of all the bosch pumps for all the cars and it's serial number...woot

Edited by Maverick101
Jackpot

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