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  1. On 1/17/2019 at 12:44 PM, EF Ian said:

    I'm sure its not problem where you live like it is in my country, but I see you have a lot of bare metal still, is it not worth giving it a quick coat of epoxy primer to prevent any flash rust from forming?

     

    I had sort of planned to have to periodically update the epoxy as I finished welding each area, but flash rust really hasn't been a problem....at all.  I imagine just because I live in a fairly low-humidity environment.

     

    On 1/17/2019 at 2:40 PM, jpndave said:

    I used a set of uncoated Sandersons, added the Cone Engineering collectors, welded on v-clamps, sectioned and rolled the pipes in tighter for better clearance. That was for the JK project on my avatar. Not having those big flanges helps quite a bit for clearance and the collectors did make a difference on flow/power. I also touched up tubes near the ports and blended them with a burr for better flow up at the heads. Someday I'll fabricate some SS equal length tuned headers for it but this worked out pretty well and was relatively quick for a semi-custom install. Maybe something along those lines would work out for you.

     

    Nice build, I enjoy following along. I wish I could get some traction on my project.

     

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    View of the merge collectors HUGE improvement over the regular ones.

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    I might end up going that route...not sure.   I just wish the JTR headers were stainless.  I am reluctant to bolt something on that I am just going to want to change out down the road.  

     

    Thanks for the comments guys.

  2. Yeah...I am in sort of a quandary as to what I will do.  Knowing myself, when I order something like the Hawk headers....for that kind of money....I tend to find them kind of a let-down when I actually have them in hand.  Usually the workmanship is not what I hoped, and I also am not at all sure they will fit my car.  I assume they are designed around the Hawk engine mounts, which could cause all sorts of problems for applications that use other mounts...like mine.

     

    I am leaning toward building my own.  I would like to finish the car....someday....but with projects like this the journey is at least half the fun anyway....at least for me.

     

    I tried the smaller 105 AMP GM alternator (part #19244779) today, and it fit without having to modify my engine mounts.  I would think 105 AMP would be enough, since I will have no A/C or sound system or any of that.

     

    Just another snag sorted without too much hassle.

     

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  3. 2 hours ago, grannyknot said:

    Those OEM exhaust manifolds look pretty tight and streamlined, everything but the connecting flange.  I guess there is no way to cut off the flange and extend it down, cast iron is pretty weird stuff to weld.

     

     

    30 minutes ago, LLave said:

    Nice! That is a big step. My feelings on manifolds were similar to yours. The power gain is not really a factor, OEMs are nicely designed and if they fit, run em.

    I went with the JTR/Sandersons they are ok. Easy close fit to the block, which leaves plenty of room. The are off the shelf, which saves time and expense. In hindsight I sort of wish I had either went with Hawks long tubes, or made my own. Honestly, mostly because long tubes look cool.

     

    The turbo guys weld V-band flanges to OEM manifolds all the time. Might be worth considering. 

     

    I am sure whatever you come up with will be bad ass.  

     

     

    I have never tried welding cast iron, but as I understand things, it is pretty difficult and trouble prone to do.  My welding skills are marginal, to be honest.  I have another car for which I built a fairly complex all-stainless exhaust with V-bands and all that.  I think I could do a decent job on a stainless header....it's just that I know it will be very, very time consuming to do.

     

    I was looking at the Hawks long tube headers.  My main concern there is that my steering shaft is not routed exactly like stock, so there might be issues with that.  Also they are significant money....but really...how is it possible for places to make a quality set of headers for much less than that?

     

    I figure if I built my own...about $700 in materials and a LOT of time.  Or just pay $1400 for the Hawks.  If I was sure they would fit, I would probably just do the latter....

     

    Thanks for the comments guys.

     

  4. Got the engine in the car this morning....

     

    Several areas of interference came up.  The exhaust manifolds, as I suspected, were much too wide and had to come off.  So I guess I am in the market for headers....thinking of making my own.

     

    The alternator was hitting the driver's side engine mount base.  The alternator I was using is a 140 amp model off of a GTO.  The stud for the battery cable was the portion striking the engine mount...not good of course.  I think my car would be more than amply served by a 100 or 110 amp alternator, if those are physically smaller I might try one of them.  Otherwise I am going to have to significantly modify the engine mount on that side.  I just pulled the alternator for the time being to get the engine in.

     

    Finally, the front edge of the oil pan was hitting the steering rack.  I mounted the rack on spacers, so it could be raised or lowered if needed.  I didn't want to significantly raise the engine, so I lowered the steering rack .5",  which game me roughly .25" clearance between it and the oil pan.  I just have to space the rod end on the steering knuckle downward an equivalent amount, to avoid bump steer problems.

     

    So there  were a few hassles...but I kind of expected some...and nothing that cannot be solved.  I was hoping to get away with using the OEM exhaust manifold....but that isn't happening.

     

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  5. 2 hours ago, LLave said:

    Are you going to stick with the exhaust manifolds? 

     

    I was planning to....just because they are compact....and I figured it was a good way to simplify things rather than trying to source or build headers.  Plus even with them the engine's power output should be more than enough to get me in trouble.....

     

    But I was taking some measurements today prior to dropping in the motor, and I think the flanges on the manifolds sit too wide and will hit the frame rails.

  6. I got the engine ready to drop in the car and see how everything fits.

     

    The motor comes with the "Corvette" spacing for the accessory drive, which requires a high mounted alternator, and by my measurements this wouldn't fit in the Z.  So I converted the front of the motor to Camaro/GTO spacing with a low mounted alternator.  Even this led to some interference, as the OEM parts were designed to use a high mounted power steering pump, and with a shorter "alt only" belt the belt rubs on the OEM alternator mount.  An aftermarket alternator mount solved that problem.  Basically it was all solved through a lot of parts being ordered then returned.  It all seems squared away now and uses a stock belt tensioner, which I wanted.

     

    The engine has a scavenge only dry sump system, that uses the OEM oil pump for pressure.  The two stage scavenge pump did not clear the Hoke passenger side engine mount, so I had to modify the mount by narrowing it .5" or so....but this was easy even for a hack like me.  The valve covers are designed for dry sump engines and delete the oil fill.  Since the engine has no sump I was concerned about oil inadvertently being put in the normal fill port....although I don't know how that could happen unless I did it myself.  Mainly just trying to clean up hardware that I won't be using.  And yes, they add a bit of bling too....

     

    I have been taking measurements and there are several places where the fit is going to be close...mainly between the steering rack and the hardware on the front of the engine, and between the oil hoses and the braces for the Apex cross-member.  It is also going to be challenging finding a place for the oil tank...unless I want to put it in the passenger compartment...which I don't.

     

    Time to drop in the motor and find out for sure...

     

    Thanks for looking.

     

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  7. On 12/30/2018 at 3:57 PM, Jethoncho said:

    Is anyone else going crazy with S30 vendors?  Retro-Spec Carbon is driving me crazy, my parts were suppose to ship 12/21 (after over 4 month of waiting)...they didn’t, Techno Toys Tuning orderedrear end swap kit, shipped me incorrect axles and CV boots (after 2 months still waiting for correct axles).  Apex Engineering, promised two weeks on their cross-member with RB mounts after 4.5 weeks still waiting...

     

    These guys are niche companies so I guess they can get away with these kind of shenanigans.   Seems to me they would quickly go out of business if there was greater competition.

     

    I hear ya man.  I have dealt extensively with all three of these companies over the past year or so, and I have had at least moderate issues with each one of them.  Not just them....but other Z suppliers as well.  Misquotes for delivery, quality problems, you name it.  I think it's like you say....niche companies with little or no competition.

     

    I am currently waiting on parts from Carbon Signal (Dubai) and Restored.jp.  I was QUOTED several months for these parts, so needless to say I am a bit apprehensive as to when they might arrive.

     

    In contrast, I have recently been fitting out my LS3 for the car, which has meant dealing with Summit Racing.  What a breath of fresh air.  I get 90% of the stuff I order from them next day with ground shipping, returns are quick and painless, and nearly everything is in stock and ready to ship.  Probably not a fair comparison though....Summit being a giant, state of the art retailer.

     

    Your build is looking great BTW.

     

     

  8. On 1/4/2019 at 11:53 AM, EF Ian said:

    Yes, mine were all bonded on very poorly, almost like an afterthought. Hopefully the JB weld holds up.

     

    The JB was hardened today, and I got them all to bolt up without any more failing...

     

    You have to be really careful though.  The back of the CF parts are not even, and if you tighten the nuts too tightly, they pull the low studs out.  I just barely snugged them, and used nylon stop nuts so they wouldn't back off over time. 

     

    I certainly agree with you though, they definitely could have engineered this better.

  9. 1 hour ago, EF Ian said:

    Yet more good work.

     

    My Retro spec tail light trims looked great but the mounting tabs were barely on there and at least half came off when attaching, I think I shall be scrapping them and just carbon skiining my original panels myself. They will look as good but be strong, won't be as light, but we are taking grams here so it doesn't matter.

     

    Hope your fare better.

     

    Thanks Ian.

     

    When you say "mounting tabs" are you referring to the threaded studs that are bonded to the CF parts?  If so I had one come off already and I reattached with JB Weld...time will tell if it holds.

  10. 1 hour ago, LLave said:

    Awesome work! Who the heck uses 12-24? 

     

    Good question...I encountered something a couple of years ago where the threads I was trying to match were smaller than 1/4 or M6, bigger than 10-32 or M5, and I was wracking my brain because at that time I didn't even know there was a 12-24.  I finally figured it out.

     

    The only place I have found hardware in 12-24 is at McMaster-Carr....whom I consider the greatest retailer on the planet...at least for most of the things I tend to buy.

  11. Another job I just finished tackling are the taillights and trim parts.  I ordered the CF surrounds from Retro Spec, and JDM spec taillights from Whitehead.  These parts on my car were cracked and in terrible condition.  I am not necessarily a fan of all things JDM, but the taillights were available used for about the same price as a good pair of US spec taillights, and I do think the amber lower light does look a bit better than the all red US lights.

     

    That just left me the smaller trim rings to try to refurbish.  Mine had been rattle-can sprayed black at some time in the past, and the paint was chipping off with chrome showing through.  The paint came right off with some paint remover, but the underlying chrome was all bubbled up and lifting off.  I was initially in a bit of a quandary as to how to remove the chrome.  It was much too hard to sand off, and trying to media blast it off would have for sure destroyed the much softer underlying plastic.

     

    After some research (thank god for YouTube) I found that a strong bleach solution will dissolve chrome from plastic.  This does work, but be forewarned it is a slow process.  I had the parts soaking 24/7 for almost two weeks before the chrome was finally gone.  During that time I also changed the bleach repeatedly, because after a couple of days of soaking the dissolving process seemed to slow down.

     

    Finally, and after light (very light) media blasting to give them a key for painting, this was the result:

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    The screws holes in the backs were cracked and broken...just from age...and also did not line up with the holes in the carbon parts, so I filled in the backsides with JB Weld, then drilled new holes for the screws after it hardened.

     

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    I am deleting all the chrome and bare stainless from the car, so I never considered re-chroming the parts, but I pondered for a bit how best to paint them.  I wanted something more durable than rattle can paint, because of the light colored plastic the slightest chip that appeared down the road would really look bad.

     

    I had some air-cure Cerakote left over from an unrelated project.  This stuff is incredibly durable, and in particular the air-cured variety is supposedly extremely UV resistant, so I figured I would try it on the parts.  If you are not familiar with Cerakote, it originated primarily for use on firearms.  There is an air-cured and a heat cured variety.  The air cured is designed for plastic parts and anything else that cannot be subjected to the 400 or so degrees needed to cure the heat variety.  I was happy with how it turned out.

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    For those considering trying them, I thought the Retro Spec carbon parts were pretty good.  They look nice, no obvious flaws, and the fit is acceptable if not perfect.  One thing that really bugged me though, is that the threaded studs attached to the back for attaching the taillights use a 12/24 thread.  This is a really weird thread size, and I have no idea why they chose it over 10/32 or M5 or M6 or whatever.  Try to find a 12/24 nut anywhere local to you and you will see what I mean.

     

    Just one more small detail sorted.  Thanks for looking.

     

     

     

  12. I haven't been updating a ton lately, not because I haven't been working on the car....but rather because I have fallen into the trap of having several portions "in progress" without finishing any of them.

     

    I did manage to finish restoration of the headlight buckets.  They were just in general crappy condition, rusty, plastic and rubber parts cracked and breaking, and worst of all covered in over-spray from past cheap-ass resprays.

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    Since "originality" is not on my list of goals with this build, I just had the metal parts media blasted and powder coated black.

     

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    I found a source on Ebay for the plastic female threaded inserts into which the adjustment screws thread.  They had to come from Thailand IIRC, but they were inexpensive and I couldn't find them elsewhere.

     

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    Here they are assembled.  The old springs were still OK, and probably would have been for another 50 years, but they were rusty and looked like hell so I just had to replace them.  I found some stainless springs from McMaster-Carr that look and function the same and cost a couple of bucks.  Part number is 9433K43 if anyone cares.

     

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    One job down, several hundred to go....

     

     

  13. I've been procrastinating buying these large components since I started on the car....mainly because I didn't want to plunge and spend the money.  But at the end of 2017 they substantially raised the prices on these parts, and I am also getting to the point that I need these items to progress any further with the build....so I bit the bullet and did it.

     

    Engine is the 525 HP model, hauled it all home from Summit Racing yesterday.

     

    For the output, I am truly amazed how compact these LS engines are.  One huge advantage to the pushrod design.

     

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  14. Looks like a great project!

     

    I agree about the benefits of doing a build log.  For me it gives some incentive to finish parts of the project, take the photos, and move on, rather than leaving a whole bunch of things partly done.  It also reminds you how much is getting done at times when progress seems very slow.

  15. I just thought I would link this in case some of you haven't seen it.  Completely awesome and over the top build.  I have trouble believing this car will ever see a racetrack, but he claims that it will.  The attention to detail is just unbelievable.

     

    We all know the amount of work that goes into a build like this.  He claims he built it for a customer.  Say he charged $100 an hour for his labor.  How many hours do you think are in this build?

     

     

     

  16. Just a small update...

     

    I got the front brakes plumbed.  I elected to skip hard lines altogether and I am going to plumb the entire brake system with AN-3 teflon hose.  I know in theory that using hard lines as much as possible is supposed to give a firmer pedal, but in practice I have driven several track cars plumbed without any hard lines and the brake pedal in those cars felt like I was stepping on a piece of concrete.  I have also seen photos of several high end racing cars....including German DTM cars....wherein the brakes were plumbed entirely with teflon/braided steel hose...so I figure if there is a performance/"feel" loss in doing it this way...it must be minor.

     

    In addition, using hard lines would require more transitions (possible leak spots) and just be much more of a hassle.  Hard lines are also actually less "bulletproof" than the braided steel lines.  If not adequately secured, subject to vibration and/or allowed to move, hard lines can possibly fracture wherein braided lines cannot. Plus in my case, the pedal box I am using allows the master cylinders to move slightly when the brakes are applied, to keep a straight angle on the pushrods.  So they would have needed to be plumbed with flex hose anyway.

     

     

    I figured I would put my rationale up front since I know the general consensus is that it is best to use hard lines.

     

    Thanks for looking.

     

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  17. My love affair with these cars goes back to their release.  They came out when I was a kid about 9 years old, and from the start I always thought their lines were about perfect.  As a teenager I used to watch the Zs in the IMSA and SCCA races at Laguna Seca and (then) Sears Point, driven by Paul Newman, Don Devendorf, Sam Posey, etc.  As cool as they were, the wide-bodied Z cars that raced there were not quite as sexy as the Porsche 935s, but I knew I could never afford a 935 and the Z always seemed more attainable.

     

    I still remember...at the Laguna Seca IMSA race in May 1979 or 1980, all the competitive Datsun GTU racers had switched over to the 280ZX.  Frank Leary's "last year's" 280Z was parked in the Pits with a "for sale" sign on it.  He was asking $8000, but there was no interest and I bet $5K would have bought it.  But back then even $5K might as well have been $5 million for me.   I bet today that car....with genuine race history...is worth big bucks to the "rich-guy-historic-racer" crowd....this car:

     

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    I looked at several 240Zs in the early 1990s in the quest for a project car.  Most of them even then were rusty turds, but I finally found a clean 1972 model with no rust that would have been great.  Owner wanted $2500....I was only willing to pay $2000...so we couldn't make a deal.

     

    More recently, I had been looking for a project track car, and living in CA it was pretty much essential to find something that would be smog exempt.  I didn't want to have to trailer it.  I have a 1990 BMW track car (E30M3) that I bought in 2001, and getting it through the bi-annual smog check is such a PITA I have been on the verge of selling it numerous times.  It has also severely constrained what modifications I could do to it.  The E30M3 is becoming sufficiently valuable, and parts sufficiently rare and expensive, that I started questioning its future as a track toy.

     

    So a 1975 or earlier Datsun seemed the obvious choice for me.  Performance parts for them are easily available and relatively affordable, and there are always a lot of Zs for sale...even though most of them are roaches.  I knew I was going to do an engine swap and complete rebuild, so my plan was to find a relatively "undesirable" example (260Z with an automatic) to keep purchase price down and also keep my level of guilt down since I knew I was going to completely bastardize it.  I spent a few months searching, and found one that had spent its life in Palm Springs (Mojave desert) and thus was about as rust free as these cars get.

     

    No question, the CA smog laws were a big factor in my ultimate purchase.  Without them, I might have opted for a newer (and more rigid) chassis than a 1975 Z to start with.

     

    The question I am wrestling with now:  When the Z is done, do I sell the BMW?

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