gorillaman2012 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Been doing my usual research and figured I'd try digging back in to seeing if anyone nowadays has made or built anything new for our motors that frees up power in the top end. Tried going back after roller cam and rocker setups but that was a dead end. Heard Tony d mention a devas system if I remember correctly? Couldn't find any more info on that..I'm wanting to see if anyone knows any new info since last time I tried it all ended in dead ends. Or people throwing a fit over why any of us stick with the inline 6 and not upgrade..I like the engine they came with and it's what I feel like building on with what I have. Just like to know more cool stuff for these. Thanks all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy 77zt Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 I used to be a Ford dealer tech.The Ford ohc 2.3 had roller rocker arms on the later versions.Never got an arm to try.Just a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Beehive single valve springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Same stuff that was there before is still out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 There is a guy in australia that makes roller rockers. WES engines. http://wesengines.com.au/contactwes.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Beehive single valve springs. I've been thinking of doing this for some time, but I've not been able to find a set that seems appropriate for the L-series heads, especially if you need to accommodate significant lift. The ones that I keep finding are either too large/small IDs or too long (coil bind doesn't allow high lifts with the installed heights I'd need), and often way too stiff. Have you found a combo that works with, say, .540 lift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Jim Thimpson at Sunbelt/Kinetic developed a set for my race engine back in 2001. He sold them as part of a kit with a cam and retainers he had also developed for my engine. The springs had an installed seat pressure 25 lbs less then stock and were good to 9,000 rpm. The cam and springs are NLA but he did sell about a dozen kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1vicissitude Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 There is a guy in australia that makes roller rockers. WES engines. http://wesengines.com.au/contactwes.html Never seen this before, any info on them? Didn't see anything on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimO Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Yesterday I received this e-mail response from Wes at wes@wesengines.com.au sorry for the slow reply i was busy with the winter nationals last week. I do make the rockers for the L series. I am currently out of stock and would need to get some up to date pricing on the parts required. Would need to know 4 or 6 cyl, application and cam profile that you were wanting to run. thanks Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1vicissitude Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Yesterday I received this e-mail response from Wes at wes@wesengines.com.au sorry for the slow reply i was busy with the winter nationals last week. I do make the rockers for the L series. I am currently out of stock and would need to get some up to date pricing on the parts required. Would need to know 4 or 6 cyl, application and cam profile that you were wanting to run. thanks Wes I am assuming these are going to be way out of my budget, but please do post up when you hear back. VERY curious how much a set would cost and how well it has been tested. I find it both shocking and worrisome something so awesome hasn't been blowing up the forums... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Maybe the benefits are not so shocking and awesome? Are to reply to TimZ, the Sunbelt can had a ,564 lift on the intake side. I don't know anything about the spring specifications but you might want to look at BMW applications. Might also want to check with Piper cams in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xnke Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Personally I think this works rather well... I know what it cost me to build similar units, and I've also inqured as to what it will cost me to buy them ready-made...it was cost-prohibitive to make the prototype for myself. Edited June 12, 2015 by Xnke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewZed Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 Don't roller rocker arms use a different cam profile formula? Since the contact point between cam and roller moves up and down as well as back and forth. So you need a cam grinder that does roller cams also. Maybe it's common and there's a simple conversion formula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Personally I think this works rather well... I know what it cost me to build similar units, and I've also inqured as to what it will cost me to buy them ready-made...it was cost-prohibitive to make the prototype for myself. That is some very nice work there. I am a bit curious though, as to the weight of these compared to the stock rockers, especially the weight at the moving end of the rockers. If they are appreciably heavier than the stock piece you would still need to run fairly high spring rates to keep from floating them. I'd be curious to see how this would end up comparing to a similar valve lift profile with, say, lightened standard rockers and lower stiffness beehive springs. Too bad nobody has that much time (or money) on their hands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimO Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I received this e-mail from Wes: "The rockers are machined from 4140 billet and the pivot cup is nitrided. the cost per rocker is $290 + GST. you would also need a roller cam and valve train components to suit. Thanks wes" I'll send him a note asking that he post here to answer questions re weight, spring rates, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1vicissitude Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Not to take away from the roller rockers... But what about coatings for the cam journals and rockers? Certain dry film coatings help to retain lubricants and aid in friction reduction. Anyone ever try anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xnke Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I've got a set of cam towers bored for roller bearings on the cam journals, but requires a hardened steel cam, same as if it was a roller cam. Eventually... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony D Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 NASCAR bearings and a split tower frees you from the lift limits of the fixed cam bearing diameter on the L-Engine as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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