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So I think the ultimate solution may be to cut some oring grooves in the threads of the IMSs and seal them that way, like on motorcycle or other carbs. 

 

I don't have machining capabilities in my garage, but I'm considering getting a tabletop lathe or something. Or just call my machinist who is down the street. 

 

If anyone else has any ideas, let me know. 

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This afternoon after work I drove over to my machinists shop to get his opinion. He took a look and started throwing out squish #s, shoulder, and other measurements in thousands of an inch then let me know the work is possible. So I'll take some measurements of exactly where the grooves should be cut then head back over on Saturday to get the idle mix screws machined.

 

Also, after my drive today, the extra tension on the cup washers seems to have helped but there's still an even smaller puddle of fuel on some but not all of the carbs now after boosting around. 

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Tonight I saw what looked like light fuel staining near where the cold start mechanisms would be so I went ahead and sealed the caps with loctite. 

 

Getting pretty burned out with work this week, but I've been trying to stay true to 10-15mins and 1 thing per day. Hopefully I can get down my list of items to resolve by Nov. 

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Parts I ordered a couple weeks ago are starting to trickle in. One thing I have learned this past few years is call for lead times before you order anything. Due to supply chain I think the longest I've waited for parts was 8 or 9 months. 

 

Hopefully my new BOV and boost controller come in next week. Some other items are backordered for 6+ months so won't make it in time for the dyno. 

 

Later today I'm going to try to get my IMS screws machined. 

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Earlier today I heard my alternator belt squeeling a bit at startup. I didn't think much of it as I figured it probably just needed more tension. 

 

So it turns out, the rattling noise I was hearing which I thought was an ebrake spring was likely my alternator tensioner heim joint slapping against the alternator pulley fan. This is a new one on me, have never lost this bolt before on any L series. 

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This morning I repaired the alternator tensioner. I cleaned off the bolt from my bolt bin, put a few drops of blue loctite on the threads just in case and torqued everything to spec. 

 

Whenever I do a build I always put a wrench on everything twice so I'm confident that bolt was torqued. Still not sure what happened but Im I'm going to do another undercarriage inspection later today and put a wrench on everything again for a 3rd time. 

 

Still waiting on parts this next week so I'm going to drive the car daily as much as I can to keep shaking things down and tuning. Still minor issues creeping up here and there, but nothing major. Biggest ones which have been resolved so far were rebuilding the cooling system, fixing the fuel leaks, and the alternator tensioner. 

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This morning I went for a nice long drive, mixed between in city and high speed with lots of boost throughout. 

 

The carbs are bone dry which is great but I just noticed another issue. Looks like a small oil leak at the oil pressure senter/turbo feed branch. 

 

So I'll investigate further and repair when I get back later today. 

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After boosting around and cleaning off the area it is apparent my new oil pressure switch is leaking oil around the base where the plastic attaches to the metal. 

 

I think I may relocate the switch off the block and onto the chassis to help it last a bit longer. 

 

I've been eyeing an accusump system for a while now. Contemplating if I should just do everything at once and rebuild the oil system on that side of the engine. 

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Some tuning notes from the past weekend. 

 

Investigating the high load high rpm region of the setup, I start to lean out a bit into 4th and the engine is still pulling hard and fast to redline. This is something I'm saving for the dyno for obvious reasons, but I've unmasked some fuel issues there although I probably won't be doing too many WOT 4th and 5th gear pulls on a regular basis. 

 

The OERs come with 180 needle and seats. After exchanging notes with my friend, I'm going to swap out to 250 needle and seats to meet the fuel demand of the motor. I think I'm running the float bowls dry into 4th. Unfortunately I couldn't find the OER parts but apparently the Mikuni phh needle and seats fit so those should be in shortly. 

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Tonight I installed the Tial BOV and went for a nice long drive. Unfortunately there was a lot of traffic, but that was good to test the setup on and off boost, at the transitions which is what I'm attempting to correct. 

 

At idle the Tial BOV is bypassing as expected, and snaps shut as vacuum apporaches 0. Starting is easier, and so is driving off boost. Also there is 0 flutter, and the fuel pressure does not hang. Every blowoff sounds like a sigh and gets sharper as the boost builds. 

 

However, on the transitions the HKS valve is much better. Shifting between gears on the HKS valve, boost builds back almost instantaneously. It honestly feels like an EFI-like response. On the Tial valve, there is just a momentary hesitation and the afr gauge reads pig rich then the boost builds back up. 

 

So an interesting result but I'm out of time today to continue testing. AFRs across the board changed slightly so maybe I need to jet down the idle circuit a bit with the Tial valve to pull a bit of fuel. I also didn't get to test higher speeds/rpms. 

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I was curious so I quickly pulled the plugs to take a look. As I suspected, the Tial is lettings things go pig rich. I had the tune dialed in with the HKs BOV to a light charcoal afr ring, and light grey on the insulators. 

 

With the Tial BOV, the plugs are all black from running rich. Not what I was expecting but I'm learning as I go. I guess triple blowthrough turbo is sensitive to the BOV choice, and the setup needs to be tuned as a whole. 

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After sleeping on it I put the HKS BOV back on this AM. I'm confident I could tune around the Tial BOV but I'm down to 4 weeks and still waiting on parts. Rejetting and test driving to bring the afr curves back in would take me a couple weeks with my schedule. So the Tial BOV is getting shelved for now. 

 

Later today my replacement oil pressure switch should come in so I'll replace that and resolve the oil leak. 

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Tonight I found an old MBC from another project so I temp installed it. Boost threshold has dropped maybe 3-500rpms and I regained the 1-2psi drop I was getting across the system. So now I'm back at 10psi. My electronic boost controller has been driving around in circles on the east coast for weeks so I'm not hopeful it will be here anytime soon. 

 

When the engine cools off I plan to install the replacement oil pressure switch. 

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Seeing that old school manual valve boost controller reminds me of the old days!  I used to have an 88 z31t with an MBC just like that, may have even been a TurboXS (early 2000s).  Stock boost was 5-6 psi and I had it bypassed to 10 psi with a boost referenced fuel pressure switch "regulating" fuel. It was either full-on or full-off, no in between and boost spikes were part of the game!

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Yeah @rossmanthe nostalgia is strong! I was digging through a box in the shed and realized I never sold it. 

 

Last night I replaced the oil pressure switch. It was an interesting failure, oil leaking around where the plastic base for the contacts crimps around the metal body. Apparently this is common. I think I will need to eventually reroute eveything and move the sensors off the engine and onto the chassis. But that will be a project for another day. 

 

This morning I did a quick inspection around the fuel system. After 1k miles I'm gaining more confidence in the car/build. Lots of seemingly random new build teething issues but I think I have them mostly all sorted out. I realized I forgot to install an anti-rollover valve on my vent. So I'll need to order one from Pegasus or another vendor. 

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Tonight I went for a nice long drive. The pandemic is definitely over, traffic around where I live is terrible. All the time. But on the plus side, the car is running and driving the best it has to date. No more oil and fuel leaks, boost holding consistent at 10psi, and it pulls "turbine smooth" to redline. 

 

This weekend I want to find a way to check for boost leaks and try some 7 range plugs. I'll also be picking up some 67.5 pilot jets to try out, which are 1/2 step richer based on my tuning notes below. I'll also need to see if I can pick up my 250 needle and seats sometime soon. I'm currently using BR8ES plugs gapped to 0.028". 

 

Some tuning notes: 

 

I'm idling at ~11AFRs. The idle circuit carries the car from 11AFRs to mid 12s at boost onset 2.5k rpms. By 3k rpms depending on load and gear, I touch high 12s/low 13 AFRs and the mains start to tip in. When the mains tip in, the turbo is reaching peak boost and afrs are high 10s/low 11s by 4k rpms and peak torque. By redline at 7k rpms AFRs are mid-11s. 

 

I'm going to try 1/2 step richer on the pilot circuit. Maybe pull just a bit of fuel with larger airs past peak torque. And of course larger needle and seats as the motor just drinks fuel on boost into 4th and 5th gear WOT. 

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