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Back again. Couple more updates. I got the driveshaft adapter back from my machine shop. and it fits like a glove between the BMW CV joint and the r200 input flange. I guess my measurements were pretty good and their machine work was top notch.

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I also went ahead and got the tires mounted onto my wheels and tossed them on for a brief test fit. Granted there's no sub-frame in the car to hold the wheel in place very much, but just hanging there, it's looking pretty good to get away with out any fender flares.

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In front sub-frame news, I think I have all the pieces I need to finally get this thing completed. I have the tube bent, the steering rack mounts plasma cut and the end brackets all laser cut.

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I used a new company for the laser cut parts this go around due to availability of my original source. OshCut is the name of the company I used this time and I was very happy with their whole process and at the end of the day their pricing was reasonable. It pays to have them cut multiples of what you need the first time, since it turned out that 2 sets of parts only cost about $15 more than a single set and the first set cost $80.

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Anyway, I just need a solid day to trim the tube, finish welding up the end brackets and the steering rack mounts and I should have a functional front subframe. Then to readdress the engine mounts. I'm not sure if i'll use the frame mounted ones I already designed or if there is a way to potentially integrate them into my new subframe. 1 step at a time...

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Sub-frame is done... at least it's all tacked together. And wow, not to pat myself on the back or anything, but I am thrilled with the way it came out. It couldn't be packaged any better in my opinion given the placement I want for the engine. I checked the bump steer again, and now instead of my laser drawing a horizontal line when going through the wheel travel, it makes a much more suitable vertical line with an acceptable amount of variation. There are some small adjustments I could do down the road to make it even better on the pitman arm / tie rod side of things, but this is going to be it for now. We'll see how it drives and go from there.

 

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Onward to engine mounts... after some thought I think I'm going to try to a bit of a hybrid approach from what I was originally thinking. I'll get some more pics up, but basically, I'm thinking i'll incorporate the passenger side engine mount with this sub-frame and the driver side engine mount will be on the front frame rail. I think it's going to work better given the steering column placement and the environment. More to come :)

 

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2 Months later ..... I've made some good progress, great progress really. I've been able to prototype 3 different revisions of actual engine mounts, and settle on a final version and fabricate them. I 've gotten the steering linkage sorted out, I put the pedal in for the first time with their lines connected to the bulkhead, and I got the engine wiring installed (very temporarily) and actually started it up for the first time in the car, with the whole drivetrain connected.

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So, engine mounts first. 3D printer was working overtime again going a few different versions. I ended up straying away from the idea of welding to the frame of the car in favor of going with a solution more like what Nissan had originally done. I welded some support stand offs from my custom subframe to come up to meet the engine side supports and rubber isolators. I just couldn't bring myself to weld to the front frame rails and lose the ability to drop the engine out the bottom of the car. 

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Next, since most of this custom subframe and engine mount work was to manage to get my BMW steering rack into the best position, I had to figure out how to actually connect the Datsun column to that BMW rack. It turns out that the BMW rag joint has a nearly identical bolt pattern as the original Datsun one, so that let me just take apart the BMW one and use half of it to adapt the Datsun column down to a 3/4" DD shaft. Then I found a collapsible DD shaft online (3/4" on one side, 1" on the other) that I used to connect from the steering column, to a Flaming River universal joint that has a 1" DD on one side and the BMW spline pattern on the other. I also am using a poly version of the original Datsun steering column coupler. Result?? The steering feels absolutely perfect... 0 slop from the wheel all the way down through to the tires.  https://youtu.be/18_B0R0pzEc

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Once all of the engine mounts were fabricated, and the engine was finally sitting in its final position, I decided it was time to get it running... I dug out my box of wiring from the engine stand and started hooking it up. I put the dash in since it had all of my gauges and switches now and hooked those up too.

This was also a good opportunity to try out the new in tank fuel pump set up. (much improved in terms of the noise vs the externally mounted Boash 044)  I filled up the coolant, topped off the oil put in a few gallons of 93 and gave it a try. First go, it didn't quite want to take, but I think there was just a bunch of air in the fuel rail. After a few more cranks, it came to life. Good stuff! 

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A few things coming up next... I made the decision to go with AN fittings for the radiator hoses, for a few reasons. 1) I'm kinda opposed to having to splice together a bunch of rubber hoses to get the shape I need. 2) Flexible radiator hoses aren't the aesthetic i'm going for. 3) despite is being a tough pill to swallow now $$ wise, it will make future trouble shooting or even modifications easier to adapt to a new set up if needed.

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I'm probably going to leave the engine in for a bit longer, give it some run time since it hasn't seen much since last August (2019) and try to get a few things sorted out like coolant overflow tank location, oil cooler location, and maybe a few more plumbing things. Then it's back down to a bare shell to make a rotisserie and get those floors and frame rails replaced. 

 

 

 

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Won't using a series of AN fittings be expensive, and also essentially hard mount the inlet and outlet of the rad to the engine?

 

When the engine cranks, it'll snap those off eventually.

 

Am I wrong, or did I just save your radiator?

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The AN fittings will have flexible hose between the fittings.

I have to try to make sure that there is enough hose to allow the engine to move adequately.

 

I can't argue the cost item though. -20AN fittings are not cheap, but it's a one time expense and it will go better with the whole build in terms of craftsmanship than spliced together rubber hoses would.

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We have touch down. This is the first time the car has been on the ground in about 18 months... I think. It's sitting on all of it's new suspension with the powertrain installed also. 

Next is going to be building a rotisserie and stripping the car back down to the shell so I can work on the floor pans and a few other body work items.

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4 hours ago, grannyknot said:

@carbuilder723, the engine looks amazing!  Nice touch with bronze the trumpets.

 

I have the an S54 in my Z too, remarkable engine, here is what it sounds like with just the header.

 

 


You know that smile is gonna last for a while :) that was the same feeling I had when I finally got my L28et started in my 71’. Apologies if I missed it in your thread, but what are you using for timing and fuel management? Stock ECU or independent? 

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4 minutes ago, AydinZ71 said:

Apologies if I missed it in your thread, but what are you using for timing and fuel management? Stock ECU or independent? 

I'm running a stock, but modified BMW ECU.

It's had a lot of the factory BMW features disabled and a custom map uploaded to it to allow it to run as a standalone.

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ECU was about $250 for an MSS54HP

Software and feature modifications and MAP sensor kit by Kassel Performance was in total about $900

Engine wiring harness was about $150.

 

There are probably a few other small things, but that should get you close.

 

@grannyknot... I should've asked before, but what did you do for radiator hoses?

 

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8 hours ago, carbuilder723 said:

@grannyknot... I should've asked before, but what did you do for radiator hoses?

I'm using the rad from an M3 roadster w/S54 so ordered both coolant hoses for that car but only one of them fit, so used the other stock E46 M3 hose as well.  Sorry I don't remember which hose was from the M3 roadster but unless you are using that rad it probably wouldn't fit anyway.  BMW's radiator hose fittings are kind of cool but it does make it difficult to find hoses for custom jobs.

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