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I know that P90 heads have solid adjusters. Some of the P90A heads have both solid and hydraulic lifters. I am wanting to convert a hydraulic P90A head to solid lifters/adjusters. Are the solid adjusters on a P90A the same size (dia) and thread pitch that are in the P90A? How about the solid adjusters on the P90A head. Are these the same size and thread pitch that are used by the hydraulic lifters? I know you cannot use the older-style solid lifter/adjuster on the P90A head. How about the solid adjusters on the P90 or P90A head?

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All L6 L series adjusters are the same. The thread pitch is not the same, nor is the diameter. It is NOT a direct bolt in, as threaded, externaly, and internaly bushings need to be made. Going off of crappy memory, I beilive the threads on the adjusters, are 18mm, and the A head is 21mm.

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You are correct! I just thought that I might find a miracle fix. I took the solid cam out of the P90A head and put in a hydraulic cam and the engine ran just fine. So much for the "you can run a solid cam in your P90A", trick. No way!

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Howdy,

 

Me and another member from zcar.com bought Timesert adapters to convert our P90a heads over to solid lifter. It's basically a "heli-coil" that has an external thread that matches the P90a bosses and an internal thread that matches the solid lifter thread.

 

They are rather cheap (~$3 a pop).

 

Check it out... http://www.timesert.com

 

Good luck,

 

Jay

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I installed a stock '83 ZXT camshaft and the problem is solved. The engine runs very well. It took awhile for the lifters to react but it smoothed right our in a couple of minutes. I drove my restored '71 for the first time. It ran very well. Now I will order a performance cam from Bull Frog Cams and see how it goes.

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I'm on travel this week for work. I will track a part number down for you guys when I get back early next week.

 

Zsaint... I'm not sure if the info that you got... I have received and installed these parts and I can assure you that they fit fine... Let me check on a part number.

 

Thanks,

 

Jay

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All right guys,

 

Alex Avery from zcar.com has posted the following info on his research for converting the hydraulic lifters on a P90a to solid:

 

Alex says...

 

Just wanted to report the result of my efforts to find a cheap alternative to convert P90A hydraulic lifter head to solid lifters. It can be easily accomplished for about $35 bucks.

 

Because the hydraulic lifter bosses are already WAY countersunk, you only need to buy 12 20mm Timesert thread inserts for $2.71 each (+shipping) rather than the expensive tool kit (which includes a thread tap, insert countersink tool, and thread locking tool you won't use).

 

When you get the threaded inserts from Timesert:

1. Remove the hydraulic lifters

2. Thread the Timesert inserts into the lifter bosses until they bottom out

3. Install solid lifters.

 

The solid lifters are a LOT shorter than the hydraulic lifters. The hydraulic lifter bosses are pre-countersunk in a way, as the threads are only at the bottom of the lifter boss. So the threaded insert when installed is below the top-deck of the head. The solid lifters aren't as long as the hydraulic lifters, so they only engage the thread inserts in the first 5-6 threads. But seeing as the lifters see only compression forces, not tension forces, 5-6 threads are plenty to hold the lifters into the head.

 

I took lots of pics and will post a short, well illustrated "how-to" article on the net when I find the time. So all those P90A heads out there should now be considered viable and cost-effective alternatives to P79s.

 

Details:

 

http://www.timesert.com

 

The Timesert item number is 18153 (M18x1.5x18.3 INSERT)

 

Time Fastener Co

5301 Longley Lane

Reno, NV 89511

(775) 829-1026

 

I have these and used the solid lifters from a P79... works like a charm!

 

Be sure to drop by zcar.com and thank Alex!

 

Jay

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Guest blivet523

When you converted to solid lifters did you notice that the solid lifters dont compleatly cover oil port in lifter boss? On mine you cant see the small sliver due to beveled edge of lifter, but when motor is cranked over and builds oil pressure it runs out of all 12. The bottom end still builds pressure but those "leaks" will drop oil press to all valve train components, and your oil pressure gauge wont show it. Let me know what you think im looking for thin washers to fix problem.

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When you converted to solid lifters did you notice that the solid lifters dont compleatly cover oil port in lifter boss? On mine you cant see the small sliver due to beveled edge of lifter, but when motor is cranked over and builds oil pressure it runs out of all 12. The bottom end still builds pressure but those "leaks" will drop oil press to all valve train components, and your oil pressure gauge wont show it. Let me know what you think im looking for thin washers to fix problem.

 

 

 

How about the ghetto fix-all "JB cold weld epoxy" to plug the oil passage?

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OK, so what is the differance between a P90 w/solid lifters and a P90A w/ solid lifters????????.......

 

what Im getting at is this.

Check it out please.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=8027911907&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

 

My 82 ZXT has a P90

I am interested in this P90A (the price is unbeliveable, for now)

what do you guys think........

Is this a bolt on item for my engine?

should I be weary of such a great deal?

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I don't think there is a difference in 90 vs 90A if they are both solid, maybe someone converted from hydrolics to solid. I don't think anyone has done it the other way around as there is much more work involved.

 

It seems I have seen that head on ebay before... The seller sounds like a member here, maybe he will chime in.

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Thanks for this info. I just got the message. I bought a new computer and lost my "favorites". I now have "Hybrid Z" back on. I just went through the drill of machining an old set of hydraulic lifters and a set of solid adjusters to make them work in the P90A head. What a deal! A buddy of mine (Andy Barcheck) has a lathe and is very meticulous. He did the fine work including silver soldering the solid adjuster into the shortened hydraulic base. We could've had a V8! (Timesert)

 

I have pics of our work if anyone is interested!

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I think a thin flat washer mounted between the solid adjuster and the head will solve this problem. The washer will cover the oil hole in the head. Maybe you can get some valve spring shims for small v/springs? I know this will move the adjuster up 1/16 of an inch but we have lots of room. This way you can re-use the hydraulic lifters if you ever want to do it. (Who would do that!)

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