THUNDERZ Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I was curious if anyone had one of these lying around from an engine build that they would like to sell. I have an engine that has been sitting for a while and thought it would be a good idea to make sure there is oil flowing in the engine before starting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skidpan Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 dude I have had many times been in the same place as you. I just pull the plugs out and turn it over by hand a bunch, and Ive never had a problem with oil pressure or bearings... I have also squirted a little oul in the cylinders just to get a little lube in them so as not to scratch the cyl walls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERZ Posted May 21, 2007 Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 dude I have had many times been in the same place as you. I just pull the plugs out and turn it over by hand a bunch, and Ive never had a problem with oil pressure or bearings... I have also squirted a little oul in the cylinders just to get a little lube in them so as not to scratch the cyl walls Its been sitting for a few years...so I think I should confirm that the oil pump is working before starting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 this type above is nearly WORTHLESS this type bellow works just fine http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=PRO%2D66896&autoview=sku they are dirt cheap or you can make one from and old distributor be sure you turn the engine over at least two full turns while applying pressure to and lubing the oil passages to get full access to all the lifters,rockers,bearings etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERZ Posted May 21, 2007 Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 this type above is nearly WORTHLESS this type bellow works just fine http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=PRO%2D66896&autoview=sku they are dirt cheap or you can make one from and old distributor be sure you turn the engine over at least two full turns while applying pressure to and lubing the oil passages to get full access to all the lifters,rockers,bearings etc. Why is the first one worthless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 "Why is the first one worthless?" LOOK CLOSELY, the top primer has no collar to keep the drive shaft centered over the pump so it can slightly mis-align and bind, Ive seen them bend the pump drive if guys get them mis-aligned and just throw a high torque 1/2 drill on and spin them without checking, the lower primer has an alignment collar that tends to keep things from breaking,,yes both have the alignment collar for the manifold but only the botom one has the lower block support and alignment sleeve that forms the lower oil passage wall, and the drive collar that assure the oil pump drive itself is lined up correctly,keep in mind,the bottom of the stock distributor forms one wall of the main oil passage to one side of the engine, without that passage wall in place you get no oil pressure to one side and darn little to the other due to the HUGE leak the missing oil passage wall presents, the lower distrib is temporarily replaced with that extra aluminum on the lower primer to simulate the correct oil passage config....THATS WHY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERZ Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 "Why is the first one worthless?" LOOK CLOSELY, the top primer has no collar to keep the drive shaft centered over the pump so it can slightly mis-align and bind, Ive seen them bend the pump drive if guys get them mis-aligned and just throw a 1/2 drill on and spin them without checking, the lower primer has an alignment collar that tends to keep things from breaking,,,,,the bottom of the stock distributor forms one wall of the main oil passage to one side of the engine, without that passage wall in place you get no oil pressure to one side and darn little to the other due to the HUGE leak the missing oil passage wall presents, the lower distrib is temporarily replaced with that extra aluminum on the lower primer to simulate the correct oil passage config....THATS WHY! Ok...Dont have to yell! Thanks though...I guess you are grumpy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Im not yelling trust me! I never yell, my 25 and 33 year old kids will tell you, that, yeah I get grumpy, but I don,t yell, I tend to talk slowly and clearly when Im making a point, but I don,t yell.....my kids know its time to take a break or disappear at times but they,ve very rarely heard me raise my voice for any reason, the typing of capitals is only meant for clearity and to make a point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERZ Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 Im not yelling trust me! I never yell, my 25 and 33 year old kids will tell you, that, yeah I get grumpy, but I don,t yell, I tend to talk slowly and clearly when Im making a point, but I don,t yell.....my kids know its time to take a break or disappear at times but they,ve very rarely heard me raise my voice for any reason, the typing of capitals is only meant for clearity and to make a point OK gotcha...thanks for the advice and info. You dont happen to have one you want to get rid of do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 no, but at less than $20 I can,t see anyone not buying one new for thier personal tool set btw heres a basic tool list, (no I don,t have everything YET but IM getting much closer..) A set of quick release tools for late model gm fuel lines and a/c line disconnects. ACETYLENE TORCH ADJUSTABLE LENGTH PUSH ROD ADJUSTABLE POINTER , Adjustable stand, for dial indicator Assorted pliers/vise grips Air compressor Air ratchet Allen wrenches ASK QUESTIONS ASSORTED FILES ASSORTED SOCKETS,OPEN AND BOX WRENCHES 1/2",3/8".1/4" DRIVE Ball joint press tools Ball joint separator forks Battery charger(full size shop type) Bench grinder w/ wire wheel Big huge screwdriver which doubles as a pry bar BORE GAUGE Brake spring pliers and retaining spring tool CAM BEARING INSTALLER CAM DEGREE WHEEL CAM HANDLE CARBIDE BURRS CC Buret Kit/PLUS STAND Checking springs chisels (assorted sizes/types) clamp for compressing calipers CLUTCH PILOT Coil spring compressors Compression tester COMMON SENSE CRANK SOCKETS Creeper Crows feet wrenchs CYLINDER HONE both 280 and 400 grit DENT PULLER DEPTH GAUGE Dial indicator, and stands Die grinder Differential Set-up Kit Distributor wrench DRIFT PUNCHES (assorted sizes/types) Drain pans all sizes Dremel tool set to cut rivets etc. DRILL PRESS Drop light (florescent preferred) Dwell meter for the older cars EASY OUTS ELECTRIC SOLDER GUN Electrical tape Engine hoist/crane ENGINE LEVELER with swivels ENGINE STAND Feeler Gages FIRE EXTINGUISHER Flexible dwell key for point distributors FREEZE PLUG INSTALLER FUEL PRESSURE GAUGE Full set of assorted hammers all the way up to 5 lb hand held full set of tap and dies metric and standard Full set of torqze tip screw drivers and sockets male and female all sizes Full size vice Gasket scraper Gear Pullers GM disk brake caliper Allen key 3/8 and 5/16 Grease gun Harmonic balancer puller HARMONIC BALLANCER INSTALLER HONING STONE 12 ton Jack stands (4) minimum)and a 2 1/2 -3 ton full size service floor jack JEWELERS FILES LAPTOP COMPUTER Leakdown tester LIFTER BORE HONE LIFTER GROOVE TOOL LUIS TOOL Magnets (several) MAGNETIC PICK UP TOOL MAGNIFYING GLASS MANUAL LUBE PUMP MICROMETERS MIG WELDER Mini Valve Spring Tester MIRROR modeling clay (2 lbs) Multimeter (both analog and digitay types) Normal screwdrivers all sizes & type NUT SPLITTER number stamps in 3/8" and 1/4" sizes OIL CAN Oil filter and regular spin on filter wrenches. Oil filter wrench Oil Pump Primers ONE NEW SOLID LIFTER PB BLASTER OIL Pipe cutter PISTON RING COMPRESSOR Piston stop, Pitman arm puller Plasma cutter , at least 150 amp PLASTIC HAMMER Pneumatic chisel Pneumatic impact guns 3/8 and 1/2 drive Pressure bleeder for brakes PRY BAR PUSHROD CHECKER Putty knife , 2" and 4" Ramps (oil change type at least 12 high) Rear caliper piston turning tool REFERENCE MANUALS RIFLE CLEANING ROD AND BRUSHES FOR OIL PASSAGES Ring expander pliers RING GAP FILER Rochester idle mixture adjusting tool ROD BOLT GUIDES ROD BOLT STRETCH GAUGE SELF DARKENING WELDING HELMET SCAN SOFTWARE Sledge or mall hammer SMALL FLASH LIGHT Snap ring pliers internal and external SPRING COMPRESSOR Standard set of drift pin punches,alignment punches,[censored] and centering punches. Steering column lock plate compressor Steering wheel puller Stethoscope STUD INSTALLER TAPE MEASURE Test light Three or four of every type and size socket and wrenches in both metric and SAE Timing light, (advance type ) Tire Pressure Gauges TORQUE WRENCH (at least two) torx bits, both long and short, sizes t-10 thru t-50 Transmission jack Tubing cutter Tubing flare tool Tubing bender Utility knife VACUUM GAUGE Wire crimper Wheel chocks (keep cars from rolling) GOOD KNOWLEDGEABLE FRIENDS Other things to keep handy - TheBandit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional items that may come in handy - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gasket scraper Plasma cutter Drill press (stand alone) Allen wrenches 12pt sockets Deep sockets Impact sockets Compressor Retracting extension cord Safety glasses Bench grinder w/ wire wheel Die grinder Wire crimper Valve spring compressor Breaker bar Distributor wrench Taps & dies Oil filter wrench Line wrenches Crows feet Shorty wrenches Tire iron Cutting torch FIRE EXTINGUISHER Throw-away vinyl gloves Plastic zip-lock bags Permanent marker Duct tape Electrical tape Torque wrench Oil pump primer Speed wrench Carburetor stand Tire pressure gauge Compression gauge Sandblaster Paint gun Utility knife Transmission jack Mallets , lead, rawhide and rubber Stethoscope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERZ Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 no, but at less than $20 I can,t see anyone not buying one new for thier personal tool set btw heres a basic tool list, (no I don,t have everything YET but IM getting much closer..) A set of quick release tools for late model gm fuel lines and a/c line disconnects. ACETYLENE TORCH ADJUSTABLE LENGTH PUSH ROD ADJUSTABLE POINTER , Adjustable stand, for dial indicator Assorted pliers/vise grips Air compressor Air ratchet Allen wrenches ASK QUESTIONS ASSORTED FILES ASSORTED SOCKETS,OPEN AND BOX WRENCHES 1/2",3/8".1/4" DRIVE Ball joint press tools Ball joint separator forks Battery charger(full size shop type) Bench grinder w/ wire wheel Big huge screwdriver which doubles as a pry bar BORE GAUGE Brake spring pliers and retaining spring tool CAM BEARING INSTALLER CAM DEGREE WHEEL CAM HANDLE CARBIDE BURRS CC Buret Kit/PLUS STAND Checking springs chisels (assorted sizes/types) clamp for compressing calipers CLUTCH PILOT Coil spring compressors Compression tester COMMON SENSE CRANK SOCKETS Creeper Crows feet wrenchs CYLINDER HONE both 280 and 400 grit DENT PULLER DEPTH GAUGE Dial indicator, and stands Die grinder Differential Set-up Kit Distributor wrench DRIFT PUNCHES (assorted sizes/types) Drain pans all sizes Dremel tool set to cut rivets etc. DRILL PRESS Drop light (florescent preferred) Dwell meter for the older cars EASY OUTS ELECTRIC SOLDER GUN Electrical tape Engine hoist/crane ENGINE LEVELER with swivels ENGINE STAND Feeler Gages FIRE EXTINGUISHER Flexible dwell key for point distributors FREEZE PLUG INSTALLER FUEL PRESSURE GAUGE Full set of assorted hammers all the way up to 5 lb hand held full set of tap and dies metric and standard Full set of torqze tip screw drivers and sockets male and female all sizes Full size vice Gasket scraper Gear Pullers GM disk brake caliper Allen key 3/8 and 5/16 Grease gun Harmonic balancer puller HARMONIC BALLANCER INSTALLER HONING STONE 12 ton Jack stands (4) minimum)and a 2 1/2 -3 ton full size service floor jack JEWELERS FILES LAPTOP COMPUTER Leakdown tester LIFTER BORE HONE LIFTER GROOVE TOOL LUIS TOOL Magnets (several) MAGNETIC PICK UP TOOL MAGNIFYING GLASS MANUAL LUBE PUMP MICROMETERS MIG WELDER Mini Valve Spring Tester MIRROR modeling clay (2 lbs) Multimeter (both analog and digitay types) Normal screwdrivers all sizes & type NUT SPLITTER number stamps in 3/8" and 1/4" sizes OIL CAN Oil filter and regular spin on filter wrenches. Oil filter wrench Oil Pump Primers ONE NEW SOLID LIFTER PB BLASTER OIL Pipe cutter PISTON RING COMPRESSOR Piston stop, Pitman arm puller Plasma cutter , at least 150 amp PLASTIC HAMMER Pneumatic chisel Pneumatic impact guns 3/8 and 1/2 drive Pressure bleeder for brakes PRY BAR PUSHROD CHECKER Putty knife , 2" and 4" Ramps (oil change type at least 12 high) Rear caliper piston turning tool REFERENCE MANUALS RIFLE CLEANING ROD AND BRUSHES FOR OIL PASSAGES Ring expander pliers RING GAP FILER Rochester idle mixture adjusting tool ROD BOLT GUIDES ROD BOLT STRETCH GAUGE SELF DARKENING WELDING HELMET SCAN SOFTWARE Sledge or mall hammer SMALL FLASH LIGHT Snap ring pliers internal and external SPRING COMPRESSOR Standard set of drift pin punches,alignment punches,[censored] and centering punches. Steering column lock plate compressor Steering wheel puller Stethoscope STUD INSTALLER TAPE MEASURE Test light Three or four of every type and size socket and wrenches in both metric and SAE Timing light, (advance type ) Tire Pressure Gauges TORQUE WRENCH (at least two) torx bits, both long and short, sizes t-10 thru t-50 Transmission jack Tubing cutter Tubing flare tool Tubing bender Utility knife VACUUM GAUGE Wire crimper Wheel chocks (keep cars from rolling) GOOD KNOWLEDGEABLE FRIENDS Other things to keep handy - TheBandit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional items that may come in handy - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gasket scraper Plasma cutter Drill press (stand alone) Allen wrenches 12pt sockets Deep sockets Impact sockets Compressor Retracting extension cord Safety glasses Bench grinder w/ wire wheel Die grinder Wire crimper Valve spring compressor Breaker bar Distributor wrench Taps & dies Oil filter wrench Line wrenches Crows feet Shorty wrenches Tire iron Cutting torch FIRE EXTINGUISHER Throw-away vinyl gloves Plastic zip-lock bags Permanent marker Duct tape Electrical tape Torque wrench Oil pump primer Speed wrench Carburetor stand Tire pressure gauge Compression gauge Sandblaster Paint gun Utility knife Transmission jack Mallets , lead, rawhide and rubber Stethoscope Yeah I have all that...just missing the oil pump primer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grumpyvette Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 if your serious about the hobby and have been as envolved as Ive been for over 40 years youll be close to having most of it....the plazma cutters and the 300 amp tig welder are next on my list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERZ Posted May 22, 2007 Author Share Posted May 22, 2007 if your serious about the hobby and have been as envolved as Ive been for over 40 years youll be close to having most of it....the plazma cutters and the 300 amp tig welder are next on my list I also want to get a TIG for aluminum...and a plazma cutter...so many awesome tools ....so little money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted May 22, 2007 Administrators Share Posted May 22, 2007 I performed the old distributor modification that Grumpy mentioned. I found an old dizzy in the U-pull yard a few years that had good bushings, spent a little time on the lathe and wa la. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 mine looks similar but I welded a 1/2 drive socket to the upper end so I could use the air compressor powered air ratchet to spin the sucker without having my drills potentially over heat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500240z Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Autozone lends them out for free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 that may be true but if your serious about the hobby youll spend $20 and put one in your TOOL BOX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teekass Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 btw heres a basic tool list, I'd hate to see the advanced tool list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 "I'd hate to see the advanced tool list." yeah! it gets depressing when you see the costs http://www.radautomachine.homestead.com/Rottler_HP6A.html $35k for a cylinder hone then theres crank ballanceing machines line hones hydralic cylinder presses sonic testers, lathes mills decking mills magnaflux and zyglow testers sonic parts cleaners ETC. you could $pend a couple million DOLLAR$ and not have nearly a full equiped engine shop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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