Guest ON3GO Posted September 27, 2002 Share Posted September 27, 2002 ok well i have a few quick questions. i know somebody did it on here but the search wont work. what do i need for this swap? what should i do for a driveshaft, and will the R230 work with this setup? also how much heavier is this motor? im looking for a J-spec 7M-GTE, but will the stock tranny work? and more important will it fit like near stock? also i bought Blitz BL gauges.. in 60mm.... so what will i need to do to make those fit in the stock 3 pod cluster? if you guys have any other ideas or help that could help me it would be great cuz im doing this all buy myself (im 19 ) mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony240ZT Posted September 28, 2002 Share Posted September 28, 2002 Get as much as you can. Replace the timing belt. The stock 7m-gte 5 speed tranny (R154) fits pretty easily. Just have to figure out where to put some mounts for it, and you will need to cut some room for the shifter to come through. It will mount up further. The engine has to be pushed back as far as you can stand it. Lots of guys putting pretty good amounts of horse power down with LSD R200's. I'm putting CV's in the car. I have a set of adapters from Ross, eh. Engine is a bit heavier than the L6, but strangly is smaller in length. Can clearly see the front sway bar infront of the crank pulley. I think you're getting to the age where you can't use it as an excuse anymore, hehe.. I'm only a couple years ahead of you, so if I can do it, you can do it. If you haven't started welding yet now is a good time to start learning. Do consider the fact that an american push rod V8 with a carb setup will get you more horse power per dollar, and will probably be less work (if you go with a tranny that fits nicely). The 7M-GTE is an excellent performer, and has a very great potential. But for some people it's probably easy to drop a couple aluminum heads on a v8, headers, a good sized carb, and off you go. With the toyota engine you'll be playing with turbo sizes, fuel maps, intercooler, fuel injector sizing, electronics, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ON3GO Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 what should i do about motor mounts and that type of stuff? what are you doing about the exhaust? i have a HKS hiper carbon muffler that i would like to use, and i know all the electronics that i wanna use too. i just dont know what to do about the Blitz gauges, and tranny.... also whats the code name for the j-spec tranny? also what should i do about a driveshaft? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony240ZT Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 Motor mounts are going to be custom. I used the rubber part of the mounts from an `87 supra to start out with, then built off of those. Modified the stock supra tranny mount by cutting off the ends where it used to bolt onto the chassis and then welded on "wings" that would bolt up into the tranny tunnel. Drive shaft, going to have to put the supra and the z car shaft together. Have a pro do that. Exhaust I haven't run yet, will be running a 3" system, going to cross over from the passenger side to the drivers side after the tranny. Use what ever muffler you like. Jspec trannies are the same as the US ones, although I think all you can get is an auto from over there. The autos aren't nearly as strong as the manuals that came in the turbo cars. The non turbo tranny is not as strong as the turbo one. I put an autometer boost guage in where the clock used to be. Can't remember the size, but if you do a search you'll see posts on that kind of thing. Also people fitting after market tachs and speedos, but it's not necessary. Here are my engine mounts.. I plan on stiffening the passenger side one up a little bit. I bolted into the engine where the A/C and the power steering used to be mounted. Driver's side: Passenger side: These pictures are from nearly a year ago, and sadly not much has changed since. I hope to get back at it very soon. I think I have the cash to finish it up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ON3GO Posted September 30, 2002 Share Posted September 30, 2002 if u dont mind me asking how much do you have in the car so far? im gonna need all new gauges cuz there isnt any in the car at all. im gonna prob need new everything.... so used parts PLEASE COME MY WAY! also what are you doing for a intercooler? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 The autometer gauges that fit the three in the dash are 2 5/8", not sure what that is in metric. For the autometers, you can pull the stock gauge bezel's off and the autometers drop right in, support them with the autometer bracket and make a new bracket to brace them in the dash and its done. I havn't seen the gauges your talking about and you say there are no gauges at all in the car, so basically your going to have to hold them in there, see how much space needs to be taken up around them and get creative. Unfortunately much of the swap will be that way. Swaps are often about taking unlikely materials (home depot, ace hardware stuff) and using them in new applications to your own design. Sometimes thats full of trial and error, but take your time and think it through and you'll pull it off. I must say thats not a easy swap if you've never done this stuff, but at least it appears the motor will fit will and not like trying to stuff a hemi elephant motor into one and totally redesigning the rear end, frame rails etc etc. Good luck with it. Regards, Lone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ON3GO Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 thanks guys.. well in the stock tach and speedo area im putting the autometer tach and speedo in there... can somebody point me out in which one's i should get and what will work. like either the electronical or mechanical? also to see the other gaugs im using go to www.blitz-na-com then look up the BL gauges... im hoping that one of those two sizes fit in the pod. also on the auto meter gauges.. what color does it light up? im trying to do a whole blue thing inside the car. so are there color choices? also what meter head gasket should i get for this motor? and what will i need to do to the stock gas tank to make it work and will i eve be able to make it work? if you have any other info that could help me out it would be great. also does anybody know of those Enkei Black mesh rims in 16x8 for sale? i want them sooooooo bad. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony240ZT Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 My intercooler is a HKS model from Japan used on the Supra over there that came with the 1JZ-GTE engine. It is very similar shaped to the HKS 7M-GTE intercooler. I only picked this one because I found it for a good deal (well, for a HKS unit) and it would flow the amount of horse power that I wanted (not because it was for a supra). As far as fuel tank mods there are a couple options. I tried going the cheapest way possible for the time being, so I modifed the tank pickup: You could also stick in a `75 280Z tank which has baffels, and I've heard it bolts in easily. I'm sure while you're at it though you get tempted to replace all of the rubber up under there, and I just didn't want to get into that tangent. Another option would be to use a surge tank (that's what it's called right?) where you have a high volume low presure pump fill up a small tank, then have the fuel injection pump run fuel to the engine from there. A properly setup one will ensure no air gets picked up. With my setup I have to keep some gas in there, or else I'll pick up some air when going into a corner hard. The stock head gasket works just fine up to 14psi or so. If you plan on doing more you'll likely be doing quite a few other mods, such as replacing the turbo, installing head studs, installing larger injectors, making sure you have an intercooler that can handle the air flow. A 1mm head gasket should do. You only really start messing around with that stuff if you change your pistons, or have take off a lot of metal when doing machine work. One other thing that should be considered is cooling. I have 2 electric fans installed on a 3 core radiator. I would like to still upgrade to an aluminum one, partially to save a little weight. Electric fans are a must with this setup. I will probably have $5k in the engine setup after it's running on the road. My engine/trans was $1350 (flywheel resurfaced), engine management system was $1500, fuel pump/550cc/min injectors/fittings/hose was about $250, $450 for my TRD clutch (holds 500hp), exhaust system will probably be well over $200, $200 for CV half shaft setup, I still need a blow off valve, had to buy an alternator and starter since they weren't included on my engine. Now start adding up the nickle and dime things and I may be over what I figured. We had another thread on this site where we were talking about running to the hardware store, relays, wire, metal, it all adds up. Hope to be upgrading the turbo, installing ARP head bolts, metal head gasket, R200 w/LSD (this is a must). I may be making my own intake manifold so that intercooler piping is less cluttered and so I can install a larger throttle body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 As far as the gauge sizes, the 60mm units are the biggest I found on that blitz site (nice looking gauges) but 2 5/8" works out to 66 mm. So they'll be a bit small. You may try something creative like stuffing them in some sort of pipe or something to take up the slack around the datsun dash cutouts. Even the 2 5/8" gauges without the stock bezels are actually smaller than the holes. As far as the speedo and tach, your looking at a 5" autometer gauge, in metric I guess that would be about 125 mm (assuming 1" = 25mm as I saw in one converter). Theres several ways to mount those, either build a bracket to use the stock datsun mounts in back, or silicon or black double sided tape has even been used. Good luck with it. Regards, Lone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ON3GO Posted October 1, 2002 Share Posted October 1, 2002 ok well i guess ill go with the 60mm BL gauges and try and figure something out. also with the tranny being abit more foward.. will i have to cut out the dash abit? also where did you get that clutch for that good of a price.. and what model TRD clutch is it? also i will be upgrading the turbo with prob a TD06 or a SP60 unit. injectors im still thinking about. prob 720cc's but not sure on what brand. fuel pump and everything else on im lost on. i do like ur intercooler i think it looks clean and everything but i dunno if its big enough. i was thinking of a nice spearco with custom end tanks and figure out the piping. also what fans are you runing? i found dual civic and GSR electric fans for cheap and was wondering if they would be good enough. if not ill just throw down the extra cash for good aftermarket ones... im trying to save money in any area that i can. also are you sure that the R200 is gonna be strong enough for this more say pushing out 600whp? and about ur engine management system. what one do you have.. is it a lap top based, or just like a some computer that looks like a fuel controller.. liek something like that. thanks again.. mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZROSSA Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 Mike, There are three different shifters for the supra 5 speed. One of them must fit your aplication so that you dont need to cut up the dash. Look here: http://www.conversioncomp.co.nz/ Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony240ZT Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 I didn't have to cut the dash any, just had to cut foward a little where the shifter pokes out. Here is a pic before I took metal out for the shifter: http://www.zhome.com/~aktar/zcar/7m/nshifter.jpg Here is after: http://www.zhome.com/~aktar/zcar/7m/mounted/shifterhole.jpg Here is with a MKII supra shifter/boot: http://www.zhome.com/~aktar/zcar/7m/mounted/shifterboot.jpg The intercooler is a little bit bigger than the other picture makes it out to be, here is a link to a picture that shows the bottom part a little better. It could be a bit wider, but I plan on getting a good amount of air to the oil cooler over there, as soon as I have one. Managed to pick up the intercooler shipped from japan for $375 http://www.zhome.com/~aktar/zcar/7m/prep/frontICshot.jpg If you have the money to get a custom one made go for it. Here is that pretty TRD clutch setup, with a stock flywheel. This was taken right before I put it in with a new through out bearing and idle bearing: http://www.zhome.com/~aktar/zcar/7m/trdclutch.jpg I was lucky and found a guy that bought this to install in his car, but ended up selling the car before he installed it. I probably will run the car with stock internals for a while, so I doubt I'll see 600hp in the near future, so I haven't given breaking an R200 much thought. I figure the LSD R200 with CV's will do just fine for me even if I make 450hp. As you can see in the shifter photo above I have the Wolf3D v4.0 to control the engine. I'm using the stock coil packs, a modified cam possition sensor. The Wolf3D is configurable through the hand held device and a laptop. For more info on it check out my links page off of my home page. I have a fuel pump that supports 500hp, from Accel I believe, with -6AN (3/8") line feed and return. I'm still running the stock fuel rail and stock FPR, and probably won't touch them unless I need to. OEM fans are generally pretty good. If they fit, and cover most of the radiator area then they are probably up to the job. I have junk yard fans on both of my 240z, 2 small ones work very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ON3GO Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 thanks for the replys. are you going to have AC and a Radio? both i need, it is Florida also what shifter are u using? B&M, an short throw one? Is there a website for the Wolf3D thing? Also im going to the junk yard some time soon, ill check if they have any Big ass Intercoolers from like a F350 or something.. that would be good for me Ok so i have the whole engines basic setup almost done, now its just the rear end and suspension. also are u using powersteering? cuz i need all that stuff, i mite even put power windows and etc in the car. if i have any more questions ill sure to ask, and thanks for all ya help.. lets hope for the best mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony240ZT Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 I don't need no stinking A/C or Radio! Hehe.. Since I used the A/C holes in the block I think you'd have to fab up an A/C system if you did it the same way I did. Not sure I'll put in a radio, just depends on how good the car sounds. Power steering would have to be custom. You know, maybe you should get a Supra. Already has all the comfy stuff installed (like automatic climate controle, PS, P Windows, P locks, P mirrors, tilt, P seets, etc), as well as the 7M-GTE power plant. I love my `87 Supra Turbo as a daily driver. Even comes with a good LSD rear end, ABS, vented disk brakes, 16x7" rims ready for much larger. Bolt in exhaust, bolt in intercooler. Not a bad looking car either: Like I said, the shifter is off of a MKII Supra, will work fine. My web site has links to Wolf3d as well as some other EMS's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ON3GO Posted October 2, 2002 Share Posted October 2, 2002 if i wanted all that stuff with a good looken car i would just stick with my 1993 300zx but i want a car i can build and a fast one at that.. im just sick of seeing the same old fast cars, i wanna be different. Im the only kid in town with a 300zx.. everybody else in town has hooked up civics and acuras. im picky.. just to show ya how different i am heres the cars my friends that i hang out with have..... new WRX, 1999 Altima, 88 RX7, 1969 VW beetle, and a new SS..mite not be different but fast as **** and not a honda. I wont worry about Power windows and locks and that crap but i do want power steering...i hope its not gonna be alot.. but hows the steering anyways in a 240Z? i never drove one really, is it a light feeling? AC is a must, i cant stand heat and FL isnt any help, plus it will be my daily driver cuz im selling my 300zx and untill i find a cheap crapy car i can drive to work and school all ill have is the 240Z. im sure a radio wont be hard to put in at all and hell i leave that up to a shop. if any ideas for AC and powersteering that would be great. so the search is on for a 7M-GTE with 5-speed and all the goodies. i found front brakes for 100 bucks that are really really good.. 4 piston etc etc so im gonna pick that up. i have 240sx rear brakes that i got from my friends car so ill i gotta do is get brackets and whatever i need to make them fit. Im getting my Corbeau CR1 seats, 4 point harneses, and MOMO commando steering wheel soon along with MOMO grand prix pedals. got new black carpet. and got my momo shift knob and boot. found pretty good prices on the BL gauges and Blitz SBA-i-D controller, and Power-Meter I-D, along with a Apex-i S-AFC. need to get the new autometer gauges and find a place for a fuel gauge. still lost on what to get for gauges.. electronical or mechanical. need to get suspension parts and a roll cage done. **** seems like alot.. oh yeah! where can i get euro turn signals and tail lights!!!! and maybe a new dash. anybody have good used parts? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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