Guest Anonymous Posted August 7, 2001 Share Posted August 7, 2001 im pondering, could i.... front, could a bolt on 300ZX rotors, calipers and 5 lug hubs onto the stock 240Z strut? and for the rear get maxima brackets and put 300ZX rotors calipers and 5 lug hubs on the stock rear strut assembly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 7, 2001 Share Posted August 7, 2001 300ZX front hubs will bolt on but the track changes noticably. I do NOT believe that 300ZX front calipers will bolt on but you may be able to use the rotors, MikeSCCA would know for sure. In the rear you have to redrill your stock hubs and can use 300ZX rotors but the calipers are again NOT a bolt-on affair - the CNC bracket Ross and SCCA are working on would be needed with say SX calipers. It's not hard to upgrade to 5lug but it's not a complete straight bolt-on either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted August 7, 2001 Share Posted August 7, 2001 well the Z32 stuff can "bolt on" but the way in which it does isnt CHEAP..... i have Z32TT calipers up front and it all bolts on but i milled the front of the strut ears to reverse mount the calipers and had to mill up individual brackets,, it all bolts on now but at a higher cost than i can make the outlaw stuff for now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modern Motorsports Ltd Posted August 8, 2001 Share Posted August 8, 2001 The Z31 front brake setup does not bolt on as a complete assembly...otherwise a few of us could have saved hours of R&D joys That's not a bad rotor though, same one used in the vented 4Runner upgrade available in 4 and 5lug detailed in Mike Kelly's tech article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted September 5, 2001 Share Posted September 5, 2001 Mike did you use the thick rotors that were allready paired with the Z32 caliper? I thought from looking at one that it was REALLY thick... Looking at options for a cheap/do-it-myself front brake upgrade that is also lightweight... I was thinking in the 12", .81" rotor area... Just wondering if you found a way to make the Z32 ones work with .81" rotors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted September 5, 2001 Share Posted September 5, 2001 i used the skyline 1.20" thick rotors so far bigger than the .81". mine are curved vane and x-drilled too there just is no cheap way to go to bigger brakes than the 4runner stuff.. and when i mean cheap <500 complete. if you want to make your own hats i can sell the 2800 calipers and you can use .81 11.4" OD rotors and it will all bolt in place.. guess its time to send me a check too huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted September 5, 2001 Share Posted September 5, 2001 oh yeah! I wish I had sent you back that other bend, its quite crappy. (the same one that had the ding in it) Its sortof got a D-shaped cross section. Anyhoo, used it anyway.... I'll get that out to you asap. Moving on to the brakes... Well I think I can do the stuff myself for ~$500... and I want something lighter than the 4runner setup. And also since its a daily driver I NEED dust seals which rule out the outlaws for the time being. I don't mind putting in the work for making my own brackets since I have access to a machine shop these days... The search continues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted September 5, 2001 Share Posted September 5, 2001 Drax you NEED dust seals?? i've seen outlaws/ wilwoods on street cars for 2+ years with no signs of wear... and up here no less.... just gotta hose the crap off occasionally. as for the jag calipers i would really be suprised if the caliper will bolt to the stock nissan ears and allow larger than a 11.5" OD rotor. the toy caliper uses a 11.2 ? or so rotor and the outlaw being a smaller profile allows a 11.5 roughly. i cant imagine the oem caliper being larger in the distance from strut ear to rotor centerline.. but i have been wrong before... if they bolt on that would be AMAZING.... well good luck to see if it works... i think you will have to make a caliper mount anyway so having the same bolt pattern might be a conflict not a good thing. as you will likely need to move the caliper out about 3/4" to make it fit the larger OD and that might interfere with the original holes that you will use to mount your bracket... if you ask Mikelly or Blkmgk they will tell you that the bracket i use for the outlaw 4000 BARELY misses the strut tube and this is with a billet caliper... when i looked in to the oem stuff it just added up too fast $ wise to be cheap enough to do. by the time you machine the rotor and the hub -(every time you replace the rotor too) it adds to the cost. the crown vic rotor sounds promising though.. IF the offset will allow direct bolt on calipers.....i tried 95 mustang cobra rotors and they were way off offset wise.. and not cheap either close to $75 ea so after machining cost near the same as the coleman racing rotor setup... [ September 05, 2001: Message edited by: scca ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modern Motorsports Ltd Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 "Posted by scca: Drax you NEED dust seals?? i've seen outlaws/ wilwoods on street cars for 2+ years with no signs of wear... and up here no less.... just gotta hose the crap off occasionally. " "Street cars up here"? For a few years running I've been the ONLY maintained let alone hipo Z/ZX to show up at any club meets or even known as a daily driver for the other 8 mos. of the year beyond our 'less wet' season. I'm not arguing, just saying some daily drivers aren't as daily driven as one might think. Putting 15k miles on my car/year is likley more than 3-4x's most other 'daily hypo Zs'. I've seen some fairly late model calipers quite corroded in yards and on my bench lately that had dust seals. Having rebuilt one for a friend lately it's not something I'd look fwd to even though it wasn't a great feat, I'd just rathe avoid it and know it's a non-issue. I feel strongly about dust seals on cars seeing lots of miles and in particular coastal or humid type weather where humidity and finer particles (dust/silt/sand) are more prevalent. Especially when many are removing dust shields so their calipers are that much more exposed and rotors cool easier. I have to hose off my coilovers before I adjust them each time just to remove the grit and even if it was only 2-3 wks ago, I have to do it again or I couldn't turn the collar, so I know the grime is present and want to keep it out. I built it so I could drive it and enjoy it all the time and that's why I worked so hard to do my brake setup with OE calipers. Baer's proven their OE caliper uses for a long time now on high miles multi use vehicles and using similar spec parts has worked out fine for myself. I don't feel the costs are so prohibitive with OEM stuff, my 13" Brembo/PBR setup is $825 and nothing in that setup needs any regular maintenance and the calipers are <2lbs leaving lots of room for meat in the rotors where we want it Anyone weight Toyo 4 pots? I'd guess they're 8-10lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 Ross .. there are cars other than Z cars out there.. i've done a couple 510s and a older Rx7. you can bet that when i finish my 66 stang it will have outlaws on it too..... and while yours may get driven more than most i think dust seals are not a necessity.. if you do regular maintenance and hose the calipers off once in a while.... given the choice all things being equal take the dust seal type//// Z32 calipers or NSX would be nice to use but the cost is $$. i'd rather have billet/stainless calipers and change seals every 2 years than use a rx7 caliper..for performance use..... just me though.... but if the price was right they could be used to replace the monster toyota ones.. thats a nice street kit but not really fancy enough in my mind for those few wild cars ... even some corvettes, and mustangs have ugly front brakes.. aww skip all this stuff.. lets just buy new AP or Brembos WITH dust seals.. only like $800 per caliper or so and we both get what we want! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 I sortof have to agree with Ross, at least in that I expect my car to see about 15k MILES a year... Low maintenance is not absolutely required, (I love to tinker) but it would be nice not to have to worry about certain things... brakes being one. I've not seen a lot of test info on sealed vs. non-sealed caliper design, but I'm interested if anyone can come across it and post a link or info here. I love the look of the Z32 calipers, especially with the NISSAN lettering on them. You guys think there is any way to use another rotor aside from skyline ones? (Made from unobtainium I am sure) As far as the caliper goes Mike, whats involved in mounting it? Just wondering if I can score some quality used calipers and do a quick rebuild on them, and then do my own thing. Don't really have the money to drop $825 or even $500US on brakes! My labour is free, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drax240z Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 I sortof have to agree with Ross, at least in that I expect my car to see about 15k MILES a year... Low maintenance is not absolutely required, (I love to tinker) but it would be nice not to have to worry about certain things... brakes being one. I've not seen a lot of test info on sealed vs. non-sealed caliper design, but I'm interested if anyone can come across it and post a link or info here. I love the look of the Z32 calipers, especially with the NISSAN lettering on them. You guys think there is any way to use another rotor aside from skyline ones? (Made from unobtainium I am sure) As far as the caliper goes Mike, whats involved in mounting it? Just wondering if I can score some quality used calipers and do a quick rebuild on them, and then do my own thing. Don't really have the money to drop $825 or even $500US on brakes! My labour is free, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 the z32 will work just not sure what the end cost will be. theres a guy here (2 actually) andy from specialty engineering and Don who use the Z32 calilpers, Don stays generally within the 240sx crowd and andy does it all. i saw a real nice setup andy did on a scarab Z in 4 lug so i know it will work out... i'm sure it isnt cheap though... as for dust seals if you do want lower maintenance then that is the way to go... not having them will most likely add to the maintenance over time . if its a daily driver. my car wont see the winters (brr too cold for it ) the nissan lettering is kind of neat to have, oh and if you want rears i have a pr of rear calipers here - but no extra fronts.... i think the Z32 calipers from nissan are close to $300ea?? (new) i would have to look into it again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 autox is up in the air .. tomorrow am is the BIG car whoa down in langley, theyare expecting 2500 cars and 20000 people to attend!!!!!!! i might take the yeller beast down there... oh,,, had a "race" with V8 S10.. i could see the twin pipes and meaty tires as i came up behind him.. as i pulled beside he down shifted and that "MADE" me punch it in 3rd.. i looked over and the look on his face was priceless!!! absolute shock.. as i drove away .. he just ate some hybridz dust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modern Motorsports Ltd Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 "Ross .. there are cars other than Z cars out there.. " Of course their is, ZX's "i've done a couple 510s and a older Rx7. you can bet that when i finish my 66 stang it will have outlaws on it too....." I'd use my own product line as well, only makes sense for promo and given it's wholesale cost to you. "Z32 calipers or NSX would be nice to use but the cost is $$" Hmm, haven't seen NSX yet.......what's their design like? "i'd rather have billet/stainless calipers and change seals every 2 years than use a rx7 caliper..for performance use..... just me though" What are we comparing with here?? where did RX7 come from? My PBR's have stainless pistons AND dust seals. ".... but if the price was right they could be used to replace the monster toyota ones.. thats a nice street kit but not really fancy enough in my mind for those few wild cars ..." Well what do you feel is needed for those wild cars? the Z31 rotor used in the 4 piston vented toyo swap is likely all anyone needs...works alright for Z31 racers..assuming the 10lb TOYO caliper is acceptable to Z users which is a sore point easy to understand. That rotor alone has a greater heat sink than any 12" or less 2 pc so it comes down to pad availability, which is fine for the toyo's. So how does the heat sink/fade gain vs. leverage gain of a 12" or 13" compare to those Z31 11's? It'd be interesting to have some real data on all this stuff, till then we'll just have to agree big brakes are worthwhile in any form "aww skip all this stuff.. lets just buy new AP or Brembos WITH dust seals.. only like $800 per caliper or so and we both get what we want!" well I don't want that price tag! That's 160 dust seal kits for an LS1 caliper that'd do any of us just fine. Will I Zya at the autox on Saturday? I might be driving my dad's Lt1, he said as long as I don't scratch up the body......I laughed and said....whew! I thought you didn't want me scratching the tires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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