Scottie-GNZ Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 This might be old news but I find this picture a good one for pointing out the difference in the 5.0 Vs the DOHC when condering a hybrid Z. 4.6L DOHC - 5.0 Comparo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 Along those same lines - if anyone has a burning urge to do this swap and wants some real life physical measurements let me know. The shop always has a couple of 4.6 motors sitting around and I keep meaning to take measurements of one of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pparaska Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 Seriously, the words that came out of my mouth when I saw that pic were: Holy _hit! I had NO idea there was that much difference in width! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 Holy Handgrenade, I knew that sucker was wide, but man, makes that 302 look like a midget engine. I donno, the fronts of them heads would probably clear the shock towers although not sure how the accessorie drives would play out. Steering clearance would be questionable, and are they making blockhuggers for it? Pretty much some of the problems we've identified before, but sure would look neat in there once you get the giant shoe horn out. Regards, Lone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 The Holy Handgrenade of Antioch? And thou shalt count to three...and lobest thine handgranade toward thine enemies to blow them to ity bity bits... --Monty Python Sorry, a little off topic there, but yeah! The difference in the motors is almost extreme. It's simply amazing what DOHC heads make in the upper mass of the motor. Not so good for clearance. I like the price, compactness, and availability of the 302...not to mention the plethora of aftermarket parts for it too! Long live the 302! Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy 77zt Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 there arent any accesory drives on this motor-nor are there any brackets.the ac,alt and ps pump bolt directly to threaded hole cast in block.its a serpentine system.complete unit is shorter than 5.0 in length and has rear sump.newer units dont even have spark plug wires.the cop (coil on plug) are hiding under covers.i have been thinking about a ford engine because local shelby club has good track events in my area and they accept cars with ford engines .the newer 2000 sohc 4.6 hade some upgrades from factory -i drive new mustangs at work.alternat source is a lincoln mark 8 but some parts are different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted August 18, 2001 Share Posted August 18, 2001 Yeah - I thought I'd mentioned that they were really wide a couple of times before. I heard a story from an engineer on the program that they were considering the 5.4 DOHC for the Mercury Marauder, but it wouldn't fit in the Grand Marquis' engine bay! Think about that one for a minute. Apparently, the 5.4 is done with a stroke increase, and they actually increased the block deck height to do it. So, the 5.4 is EVEN BIGGER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 Guys, I think one engine is closer to the foreground in that pic. I saw a recycler in a Mustang mag selling SOHC and DOHC for somewhat reasonable prices with EVERYTHING inclluded. A DOHC was a little more than what my motor is but geez it revs forever and is smooth as glass. Idlers can replace the AIR and A/C if you want - my friend did it on his monster... I'll try to lay some tape on one of these motore and also measure an engine bay. Also, long tube headers on these motors are a WASTE OF MONEY. Use the shorties. On a blown car measured increses in power with long tube vs short is oh about SIX HP. Yup, and they cost quite a bit too - think Honda prices. My friend charges as much as a grand to install them depending on who made the headers. The shorties are very compact and don't think for a moment I'm not pondering that motor for a future swap in another car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 >"not to mention the plethora of aftermarket parts for it too!" Ummm, A Plethora? Wow, I'm not going to need to bring up a dictionary for these post am I? Quite a Literary Conundrum to ponder, Now if you'll excuse me, I shall ponder it with my G&T by the polo field. Kindest Regards, Lone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 Lone, my mind was drawing a blank for the word variety, so I thought about using myriad, but decided against it. I felt the word selection was a bit dull--sorry, I'm just trying to get some word satisfaction in here. To think, I used to talk like that back in college--the years and beers have done their worst... Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 19, 2001 Share Posted August 19, 2001 Yeah, I know, I was just busting your hump... Heh.. Regards, Lone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Shasteen Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 quote: Originally posted by DavyZ: ...Lone, my mind was drawing a blank for the word variety, I felt the word, selection, was a bit dull--sorry, I'm just trying to get some word satisfaction in here...Davy Hmmm, How bout: Chilling Array, Charitable & Alluring Assemblage, Ambitious Grouping, Covetous Assortment, Exquisite Collection, Assertive Compilation, Concentrated Arsenal, Sizeable Allotment, Wicked Gathering of, Delightful Ensamble Amazing what a Slow Sunday Afternoon will do to a person! Kevin, (Yea,Still an Inliner) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 Pretty good, Kevin. Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 Heh, sounds like those book reviews on a books back page from a bunch of unimportant newspapers... 'A storie so chilling you know it could only come from the mind of 'put author name here', complex, yet witty with an end that is too terrifying or shocking to believe. An immediate cult classic said Time Magazine.' 'Fill in Paper's critic name here' , Lone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 22, 2001 Share Posted August 22, 2001 Okay, I've got measurements for ya' THIRTY inches wide, 24inches deep, 20inches tall w/no oil pan. Oil pan is shallow up front I'm told. WIDE but my friend says he thinks it would fit having looked at my car but we did NOT try to measure the engine bay. Headers tuck up nicely, hard to explain how they angle etc. If someone gets a chance measure up the engine bay on a Z and let us know how close it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Will that monster actually fit in a 280. Would you have to do away with the front suspension !!?? Ha [ August 23, 2001: Message edited by: 280 NOTPD4 ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 How much easier is a 302 to install rather than 350. What benefits? I know aftermarket parts and distributor placement. I'm considering the v8 swap and I have found a 302 and tranny for $200 with 80000 miles on it. What's everybody think. Lots of replies and info please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 Easier? I'm not sure anyone has claimed it's easier - in fact it's probably harder. With the 350 you can get pre-made mounts and th eswap is better documented. You can also get a strong 6speed. With the 302 you get none of that and must make your own mounts. To get a 6speed with the Ford you'll have to buy new and get around the slave cylinder issues etc. The Ford motor IS lighter though and can be mounted up just fine if you fabricate the mounts. What year is this 302? Is it out of a Mustang? will you be rebuilding it? With 80K on the clock I'd be checking out the rings since the Ford "low tension" rings tend to lose tension more quickly than standard rings. What all does the $200 buy you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Adkins Posted August 23, 2001 Share Posted August 23, 2001 I read somewhere that the Ford Modular V8s were originally designed during the time that they thought that it would just be used in transverse engine, front wheel drive cars. That explains why the DOHC is so wide but very short in length. In a transverse mounted front drive, the engine sits sideways so that the heads would face the front and back of the car while the bellhousing and front of the block face the left and right front wheels. Late Model Mustangs must have really wide engine bays! The SOHC 4.6 like I have in my F150 doesn't look as wide, I should take a tape measure to it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 24, 2001 Share Posted August 24, 2001 Nah, it's a FOX engine bay just liek the older Mustangs. Racers swap the DOHC engines in and Ford used them as "mules" during development too. Contrary to what Ford advertises, these engines are FAR from "new". Ford has had them on the drawing boards for a good while. It takes TIME to design an engine from scratch! It's quite possible that they thought they would be transverse only but that's the first I've heard that. They do mount that way in several vehicles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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