HarrisonTX Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Guys, i have been looking on ebay like crazy, and searching swap meets... Why can i not find a 327 Small journal block that is at .030 or below that. They made plenty of these motors, and i cant find a block for less than $200... I am dying to build this 302, the block is the hardest part to find.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 It's for the same reason I cannot find a decent 400 SBC!! I think they are just getting scarcer... Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Z Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Davy, Maybe these guys can help you out, unless you plan on doing the assembly work locally:) http://www.speedomotive.com/425%20H.P.%20STRONG%20ARM%20400%20STREET%20MASTER.htm ASSEMBLED SHORT BLOCK: $1,995.00 free shipping BORE =.4.165" DECK = 9.00 ROD LENGTH = 5.7 LONG ROD ROD RATIO .1.52 PEAK TORQUE =474 @ 4,000rpm PEAK H.P. = 425 @ 5,500rpm Quench = .045 ASSEMBLED SHORT BLOCK INCLUDES: PRECISION GROUND GM 3.750 STROKE CRANK GM 5.7 RODS WITH ARP WAVE LOC BOLTS PROBE FORGED DISH TOP PISTONS, ZERO DECK COMPRESSION RATIO:64cc=10.4-1, 72cc=9.6-1, 76cc=9.3-1 TOTAL SEAL MAX MOLY RING SET, 1/16-1/16-3/16 CLEVITE MAIN & ROD FEL-PRO REAR MAIN SEAL GM 2 BOLT 400 BLOCK - FULLY MACHINED EXPERT ASSEMBLY - BALANCED TO WITHIN 1/2 GRAM WHEN FLYWHEEL & DAMPER ARE ADDED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280Zone Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I have seen a couple for sale here in Phoenix if that would interest you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerrari GTO Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 With the price of classic muscle cars going through the roof, many vintage blocks are being snatched up at premium prices for restorations. There are still some good ones out there but you better be willing to move fast and spend the bucks ($200 is a deal from what I've seen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike kZ Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Found this http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/93958957.html but it's a large journal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Around here, $200 or less for a good block would be considered a bargain, and quickly snapped up by almost any gearhead. You might have to up your price range a little. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerrari GTO Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Found this http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/93958957.html[/url'] but it's a large journal That's a deal just for the large journal crank- esp. if it's forged. I wish I was close to Houston! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PROJECTRB240SX Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 I've Had My 327 Small Journal For Sale For The Longest Time.... I'm In Phoenix Though. I Was Asking $750 For The Motor (disassembled, Virgin Block, Needs Rebuild) And Trans (bw T5). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike kZ Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Hey JP, here is one in the Atlanta area: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/85912376.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecp48 Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 The biggest problem, most were crushed/recycled after the 350 came on line. Why build a 327 when you could have a 350 for the same bucks? etc. Good luck. Even the 350 4 bolts main is getting scarce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrisonTX Posted September 2, 2005 Author Share Posted September 2, 2005 why build the 327 when you can build a 350? Man, i must have answered that about 1000 times. Please lets not make this an arguement post. A 302 can spin to crazy high RPM's. I have never heard a sbc spin to 8,000 (and still make power at that) and i really want too. I want to be the only buy around with a 302, let alone one in a Datsun. i have only seen a few 302's in my life (im only 19) I like to have special things, kinda like conversation pieces. For example. My 79 malibu, i bought it as an automatic, but changed it to a 4 speed. Theres hardly ANY 4 speed g bodies, and i love to talk about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerrari GTO Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Hey JP, here is one in the Atlanta area: [url']http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/85912376.html[/url] Thanks Mike- I emailed a reply but I have never had any luck with anyone getting back to me from Craig's List. I hope this one is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here comes trouble Posted September 2, 2005 Share Posted September 2, 2005 Find that 327 and build the 302...Some came with tube headers and cross fed dual 4bbl carb manifolds. Between 50 and 95 mph .. a person was literally pinned to the seat during rapid acceleration in the Camaro.. A friend of mine had the muscle cars in the 60 and 70's and the Camaro on the road/highway/street would run circles around the others including a 440 Hemi Try Craig's list.. I have seen them offered there go to the "Cruise's" and ask those old timers about a 327 ..Probably everyone there has 3 0r 4 at home with 4 bolt mains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack46 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 a person was literally pinned to the seat during rapid acceleration in the Camaro.. A friend of mine had the muscle cars in the 60 and 70's and the Camaro on the road/highway/street would run circles around the others including a 440 Hemi Try Craig's list.. I have seen them offered there go to the "Cruise's" and ask those old timers about a 327 ..Probably everyone there has 3 0r 4 at home with 4 bolt mains Ever seen their times at the track? I just saw a beautiful 69 Camaro with a 302 at track he did a 10.2 1/8! 327's haven't done any better. In their day they were fine, this is 40 years later, tires, transmission and all have evolved. Once one hp per cube was great, today it is common from factory and gets >20 mpg, needs a tune >50,000 miles. I lived in the 60's with the cars, it was a good time, but those builds don't hold a candle to an LS1 or LT1. Watching a tach is fun, but I personally prefer a fast car versus an expensive conversation piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zfan Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 powered DZ302 is a blast and sounds wicked whinding up to 8-8.5k. That said it will not hang with my 385 stroked sbc. Even 350's will give him all he can handle and then some. In his Z my guess is it will run low 13's, maybe a high 12. He had a baby blower on it (144) and it was a solid 11 second car. If you like to hear it scream 302's are awsome. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here comes trouble Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Jack! Jack! Jack! true true and true but are not all these dinosaures a conversation piece???to boost our egoes. My project is just socio/psycho needs I am tring to compensate for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_hunt Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 the only g body cars that came factory 4 speed were mexican g bodies. This is fact from http://www.gbody.org. I guess nobody told Grumpy Jenkins that the 327 wouldn't hang with the 350's of the day, he was only turning low 9's in a PS vega and that was with production GM heads of the day! Or, how about Mickey Caldwell with the C modified production national record corvette with a 283 turning 8500rpm turning 11's, whooping bootie on the 302's and 327's back in the '60's. All with production cast iron heads! Point is that unless you have good heads, cubic inches ain't gonna help. Build a 350 with stock heads and a 383 with stock heads and the 383 isn't going to offer much, if any big gains due to lack of increased airflow to match the cubes. 302's and 327's respond well and work well with the old "camel" iron. Where with big inches you need big ports to make it work like it should. However to get alot of HP the smaller engines will be more radical than a larger engine with the right parts. It's an age old argument that has been solved with the great availability of the aftermarket heads, increase in cam technology, piston technology and the availability of great blocks, cranks and rods all at much more affordable prices than we had back then. Build what you want, it'll work, might not be the best but it'll be what you want and that's what counts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bezeenu Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 FWIW: you could do it old school and bore a 283 block to 4.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack46 Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Same discussion no one will change their mind. BUT it still comes down to given equal efforts cubes ALWAYS win. I think Grumpy did some desktop dynos comparisons and is definately an eye opener. The 302/327 are great sounding and will rev to the sky. BUT tell me how expensive is a biuild that will take >7000 RPM? Put that money into a 377, 383, or even a 350 and you will beat the smaller cubes. I had a 283 in the 60's loved it but I wouldnt build one today unless given the parts. I prefer a low RPM high torque and HP setup. But my car is street driven, now a track only I MIGHT go to <7000 but sorry never on street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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