grumpyvette Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 this is comon with some performance cams and the T.P.I intake which was designed for LOW RPM TORQUE, runner length and plenum volume were matched to provide maximum low rpm power and the corvettes geared to run in the 1000rpm-5500rpm band installing a new cam allows the engine to make power higher in the rpm range but sacrifices some low rpm torque and causes the intake to induce reversion pulses due to the differant cam timing you might be correct that the intake gasket in the lifter gallery leaks letting oil into the runners,but.. ITS FAR MORE LIKELY that the intake runners got black from intake manifold reversion pulses carrying exhaust gasses back into the plenum at low idle rpms due to the cams overlap with that cam you sellected, and the exhaust scavaging not being effective at idle rpms,PLUS the valve guides/seals allowing extra oil into the combustion chambers, ITS a somewhat inconvient result of needing that scavaging and overlap at higher rpms to build power, and having some wear or clearance that allows oil to be pulled into the chambers at low rpms THINK ABOUT THIS CAREFULLY, if ONLY the intake seal at the runner/manifold leaked the oil would tend to get sucked into the runners in the heads alone!, but intake pulse REVERSION and EXHAUST gases are pumping the crap all the way thru the runners into the plenum and into the throttle body.. heres what ISKY says "What Causes Intake Reversion? Once and for all, let us have the TRUTH! With the proliferation of the Motorsports Industry over the years, many new faces have come on the scene. In the cam grinding business today, there are many younger, less experienced companies struggling for recognition of their talents and a few have turned to postulating new theories in order to attract attention. However, they are I believe unfortunately, too often guilty of shooting from the hip. Two in particular are responsible for perpetuating the "myth" that an earlier opening of the intake valve (even by a mere 2 or 3 degrees) causes the phenomenon known as "reversion". Nothing could be further from the truth! This misconception not only defies common sense, it also establishes a false premise from which other, incorrect conclusions can be drawn. Simply put, those who focus on overlap are on the wrong end of the cam-timing diagram! Reversion, carburetor/Injector "stand-off" or the general effect of the backing up of the intake Fuel/Air charge normally associated with longer duration high-performance camshafts is actually caused by a Later Intake Closing! How do we know this to be true? The answer lies in the basic principles of physics. For as with geometry and trigonometry, these sacred truths do not change simply because someone chooses to ignore them in an attempt to garner a reputation. Specifically, when the intake valve opens some 40 or more degrees before T.D.C. at the end of the exhaust stroke, very little (virtually no) exhaust gases remain in the cylinder. The piston is in the vicinity of T.D.C. (only .425" down the hole @40o BTDC - on a typical 350" Chevy with 5.700" rods) and no appreciable threat is posed to the forthcoming intake charge. The "False Reversion Hypothesis" taken to an extreme would lead one to the equally false conclusion that any overlapping of the intake and exhaust valves is totally undesirable. Automotive engineers of the late 1800's and early 1900's used to think this way. They were deathly afraid of overlap, so much so they actually employed "Negative" overlap (minus 5 or 10 degrees) to be absolutely sure none would occur. What was the result? These engines were severely "throttled back" or limited to low speeds and mediocre output. [ Reference: Iskenderian's Tech Article "Cam Degreeing is Simple"] But, more progressive engineers of the early 1920's who performed "brazen experiments" with longer duration cams proved these overlap fears to be only so much "stuff and nonsense", as both power, rpm and performance were actually improved. These engineers demonstrated that overlap did not cause engines to quiver, backfire or lock-up on the spot! Although, the ignorance displayed by their predecessors is easily explained by their lack of experience, (internal combustion engine design being in it's infancy) it was none the less the result of an incorrect hypothesis. Should you need further persuasion that reversion is not caused by earlier intake opening and the resulting extension of valve overlap, consider this: What happens when you advance any camshaft? The intake as well as the exhaust valves open earlier. Does this advancing of the cam cause more reversion? Of course not. Throttle response and torque are enhanced. Yet, if these theories were correct wouldn't the engine run more poorly, especially at lower RPM? The answer is obviously yes, and because so, these theories are invalid. A brief look at what's happening on the other end of the valve-timing diagram will tell you why. For when a camshaft is advanced, not only do both valves open earlier but they of course also close earlier - and here in lies the key to reducing Intake Reversion. Close your intake valves earlier and any tendency for the occurrence of Reversion or the backing up of the intake charge as the piston rises on the compression stroke will be reduced. It's not complex, nor is it a mystery. And the circumstances surrounding it's occurrence have not changed. In fact any experienced mechanic could tell you as much, for, as Ed's good friend the legendary Smokey Yunick might say, "Only country smarts are required to solve the problem." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannji Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 So, aside from the valve tolerances, is there anything in runner design, length, injector placement/design, ect that will help limit the reversion pulse effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 the TPI intake runner length and cross section is designed to work in a set rpm range, the cam timeing and compression ratio, needs to match too work without reversion, and certain header designs can hurt or help your reversion at idle. youll still get exhaust gases reversion in the intakes runners even with perfect rings and valves with some cams at low idle speeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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