Administrators RTz Posted September 29, 2009 Administrators Share Posted September 29, 2009 I am sure that you've sent Ron your file, but could I take a look as well? Actually, I've never received it. At this point, I'd appreciate a copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedman240 Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 Hmm..sent it a while ago to you Ron...never mind, what I'll do, I'll attach the file but rename it as a pdf file so it can be uploaded (doesn't allow any file type), just make sure you rename it to .ecu. Or keep it if you decide to run a Wolf V500 with a RB25DE with the same coils, it will get you off to a good start. This map is how it was running with the RB, without me playing with any setting as Robbie from Wolf set it up. I can give him a call anyway, or even better go around there to see him personally. He's about 30 mins drive away. Original_RB25DE.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted September 29, 2009 Administrators Share Posted September 29, 2009 Uploading like that doesn't work for me. I re-sent my email address in PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Ahhh.... I think I see what's happening. Are you saying Wolf wired 6 coils, on 6 channels and now you've re-wired for three coils on 3 channels? If the answer is yes, you need to configure per the sticky I posted. If not, please clarify. Yes. After looking at his file Wolf configured it with 6 ignition channels. What is screwy, though, is the pulse skip is set to 2 as you would expect with wasted spark. The firing order also seems screwy at 2-0-1-1-0-2. However, we do not know which ignition channel was wired up to what coil going to each cylinder. For all we know channel 2 could be wired up to cylinder 1. zedman, which ignition channels are you using and how have you wired them to your coils? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedman240 Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 When I had the RB engine installed and running (with 120Kw at the wheels) and then removed it and installed the L24, the only part of the loom that I had to change was to just extend the wires going from the main loom to the coil pack. When the RB was installed, the coil pack was on the firewall and with the L series, it had to be moved near the front. I've checked about a dozen times to make sure I haven't re-arranged the wires but it's fine. Oh and the other mod was the removal of the plug for the CAS. Other than that, it remains the way Wolf (Robbie) wired it up. As for the wiring of the coils it is as follows; A12 Black/Brown wire - channel 1 (coil 6-1) A13 Black/Red wire - channel 2 (coil 2-5) A14 Black/orange wire- channel 3 (coil 4-3) And the +12V to all three coils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted September 30, 2009 Administrators Share Posted September 30, 2009 Now you are making this harder than it needs to be. In post #17 you said... They wired up the current setup I have with the 3 wasted spark coils. They used the 6 outputs to control 3 coils? You are saying 6 channels. I asked... Are you absolutely certain of this? I can only postulate a couple of very obscure reasons to do it that way. ... to which you never replied. Now you write this, citing 3 channels... As for the wiring of the coils it is as follows; A12 Black/Brown wire - channel 1 (coil 6-1) A13 Black/Red wire - channel 2 (coil 2-5) A14 Black/orange wire- channel 3 (coil 4-3) And the +12V to all three coils. There is a BIG difference in those two scenarios. I cannot stress how helpful it would be for you to provide clear and accurate information. So, with certainty and clarity, how is it? Are you POSITIVE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Ron, it is my understanding that Wolf wired up six channels but he only wired up three when he swapped it over. His last response is his current configuration with the L24. Wolf configured the ems using 6 channels with a firing order of 2 0 1 1 0 2 and a pulse skip of 2 for each channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted September 30, 2009 Administrators Share Posted September 30, 2009 Ron, it is my understanding that Wolf wired up six channels but he only wired up three when he swapped it over. His last response is his current configuration with the L24. That's not what this say's... the only part of the loom that I had to change was to just extend the wires going from the main loom to the coil pack. When the RB was installed, the coil pack was on the firewall and with the L series, it had to be moved near the front. I've checked about a dozen times to make sure I haven't re-arranged the wires but it's fine.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedman240 Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 I'm 100% certain that there are a total of 4 wires going to the coil pack. The 3 Black with red/brown/orange and the +12V. I'm just curious why in the software it seems they have configured it for 6 individual coils where there are only 3. If you need me to take any close up pics of anything, let me know. That question "They used the 6 outputs to control 3 coils?" was a question and NOT how they wired it. In the loom there has only been those 4 wires to the coils and never 6. The RB engine was running with the wasted spark coil pack. When I bought the RB engine, somebody else took the original 6 coils off the motor. I'm sure I did reply to that but I think it was in some of the posts that got deleted. I can confirm, this is how the coils are wired up.. A12 Black/Brown wire - channel 1 (coil 6-1) A13 Black/Red wire - channel 2 (coil 2-5) A14 Black/orange wire- channel 3 (coil 4-3) And the +12V to all three coils. I'll post up pics tonight of the setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted September 30, 2009 Administrators Share Posted September 30, 2009 I can confirm, this is how the coils are wired up.. A12 Black/Brown wire - channel 1 (coil 6-1) A13 Black/Red wire - channel 2 (coil 2-5) A14 Black/orange wire- channel 3 (coil 4-3) And the +12V to all three coils. Then follow the sticky to the letter. Channels 4, 5, & 6 are not being used. You may turn them off. Note: sequencing 2,0,1 produces the same firing order as 0,1,2. Picture it as an endless loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedman240 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 Just curious if I should check sequencing of the injectors or does it not matter? Currently it's set to; Inj1 PO - 5,3,1,4,0,2 and pulse skip are all 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted October 3, 2009 Administrators Share Posted October 3, 2009 Just curious if I should check sequencing of the injectors or does it not matter? Currently it's set to;Inj1 PO - 5,3,1,4,0,2 and pulse skip are all 5. It doesn't matter right now. You're car will run fine on any fueling order. Later, when you put the car on a dyno, you can bump those numbers up or down and select the sequence for best power. It will normally be a modest gain... too small to feel in most cases. If the sequence was grossly out, you'll likely see a slight improvement in idle quality, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedman240 Posted October 8, 2009 Author Share Posted October 8, 2009 Thanks to Ron and everyone else, I can finally say some success with the V500! Got it started and running roughly but fine. Still with the fuel map from the previous engine but when the exhaust is on, I can do some fine tuning on the road. I caught myself doing something that I think made it worse; not switching off and re-setting the ECU AFTER making changes to sequencing etc..Now with the ignition locked to 10', timing light shows 10' with ref degrees at 60'. All is well untill I get the refreshed L24 with lumpy cam installed and a good dyno tune and then I can post a video and some numbers. Thanks again for putting up with all my drible...hehehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators RTz Posted October 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted October 10, 2009 Congrats I caught myself doing something that I think made it worse; not switching off and re-setting the ECU AFTER making changes to sequencing etc.. Yeah, that post got deleted. I'll add that note to the sticky... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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