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[SATAN]

Warren, I'm not about to get into a pissing match with you,

 

I will simply make a few statements and observations, then I'm done with this thread....

 

That PROVEN company has not been in business as long as Turbonetics. They STILL don't have working website (ie: not a placeholder page).

 

As far as I know, the only reason anyone here knows about the company you were using was because of one member here who sold their products, and yes, there have been failures.

 

Turbonetics has been around a LONG time - years and years before I even bought my turbo in '94 and are still around and apparently still providing good product.

 

We already know not to trust that company you've had to deal with.

 

And no folks, I will not name names, but the member selling these turbos is no longer in the business.

 

There is no way that any of the woes Warren has had are a result of anything he did wrong - you just simply don't know how much attention to detail Warren puts into anything he does.

 

Now, I would probably entertain doing business with a company that gives discounts on Turbonetics Turbos - but only for turbos that are stock Turbonetics - not frankenturbos using some Garrett and some Turbonetics and some who knows what. Come to that - even mixing up parts from the same manufacturer for a frankenturbo such as what Warren had, if done by people with no long term reputation can lead to exactly the problems we're talking about too.

 

If I can see the same specs in the Turbonetics catalog and on the sellers website and they state it is a Turbonetics - then as far as I'm concerned, if it isn't a real Turbonetics when it comes in it'll go back - I'm protected by laws governing false advertising ans my AMEX account reps will back me up.

 

I don't mind saving a buck, and I'm sure due diligence of a sort was used in sourcing a supplier by the person who sold Warren his, but sometimes one simply has to pony up the proper amount of valuta to insure getting a good product. For something as expensive as a turbo, that extra 10-25 percent can be considered insurance - especially if you're talking about a daily driver. For a weekend or race car, some will go cheap but they almost always DNF eventually.

 

I am sure there are companies out there that can put turbos together as well as Turbonetics, I can think of a few that have good reps that have been reported here. Because I have had good luck with Trubonetics (the ZXT was my daily driver at the time), I see no reason to look anywhere else. Other people have had other good experiences with other companies. There are at least two people out of our small population on this board that have had problems with the turbos from this one particular company .

 

I am only encouraging people to do business with companies that are known to be trustworthy and not have to shell out big bucks later to save a relatively small amount on their initial purchase.

 

I'm sure I've said more than enough, so I'm outta here...

 

 

You sound like a dealer for Turbonetics. Like none of their turbo's have ever broken either. On that note, I like my Borg Warner turbo.

 

Truth is, all turbo companies are having turbo's that blow up. If you look around the interweb's, you will find someone bashing any company you can think of. Then you will find others getting all pissed off cause someone bashed the brand they are running. It all comes down to... These are not normal cars. We beat the **** out of our cars and sometimes **** goes wrong. If you cant afford to play... GO HOME.

[Warren]

OK, it's gone far enough.

 

Satan, you obviously don't know the relationship that Brad and I have (we're good friends who aren't afraid to express our views publicly). The part about the pissing match was a joke, I'm sure.

 

As far as your statement about these cars not being "normal", you're barking up the wrong tree there. Trust me, we (Brad and I) BOTH know how different these cars are. If you knew my build, you'd understand. 4.5 years of researching, consulting, building, re-designing, modifying and testing what "I" wanted, should tell you that we DO know what we're talking about and that it's not how much money you throw into a project, it's more of what you can get out of what you've gotten yourself into that makes the difference.

 

Now for the real reason the turbo failed. It was oil starved, overheated, overboosted and hot lapped. The rear journal bearing wore, the shaft started to wobble and the shaft flopped around in the worn bearing allowing the turbine wheel to hit the rear housing. This friction, along with the wobble caused the shaft to heat up and break just in front of the wheel itself, sending it all the way through the 3" stainless exhaust system, tapping one of the 2 O2 sensors in the piping. It was found, totally destroyed, just in front of the muffler, approximately 9 feet down the exhaust system. That could happen to ANY turbo.

 

After complete disassembly of the turbo it turns out that it was more a case of "operator error" than anything else (Sorry Brad), simply by running the boost controller way up and asking for more boost than I should have under the conditions. I had just run the car down the track and was hot lapping a second run without letting the car cool down at all. The datalogger showed that the turbo had produced 47.7 lbs of boost just before the failure. Had I let it cool down properly between laps and not tried to hot lap it, the turbo might not have been damaged at all and this discussion might not have ever happened.

 

Nobody was "bashing" anybody intentionally. There is a story (in the past, where it belongs) about the origin of my and a couple of other members' turbos that was referred to by me, which Brad picked up and expounded on. That's all...nothing more, nothing less. So don't come in here and go off half cocked telling people to "GO HOME" when the complete story hasn't been publicly disclosed (on purpose).

 

Thanks for your input though.

 

Warren

[letitsnow]

The datalogger showed that the turbo had produced 47.7 lbs of boost just before the failure

 

Wait, on purpose? How much power does your car make?

[Warren]

Don't really know...YET. Hasn't been on a dyno yet. Gotta make it perform reliably first, then worry about the numbers.

[SATAN]

4.5 years of researching, consulting, building, re-designing, modifying and testing what "I" wanted, should tell you that we DO know what we're talking about...

 

 

 

 

... it turns out that it was more a case of "operator error" than anything else.. simply by running the boost controller way up and asking for more boost than I should have under the conditions. I had just run the car down the track and was hot lapping a second run without letting the car cool down at all. The datalogger showed that the turbo had produced 47.7 lbs of boost just before the failure. Had I let it cool down properly between laps and not tried to hot lap it, the turbo might not have been damaged at all and this discussion might not have ever happened.

 

 

Thanks for your input though.

 

Warren

 

 

 

You sound like you know what you are doing.

 

Good luck