i have to say that by far this is the best forum of its kind. I have asked many questions and as of yet nobody has called me a retard lol. My questions have almost always been met with adequate explanations and freindly advice. (although in the case of your answer and several others answers ive received from previous post it wasnt neccessarly the answer i wanted to hear.) But you people have kept me from doing a lot of stupid things by telling me answers i didnt want to hear. And outside of people flaming the non searchers i have seen no one be outwardly rude or distatefull to other members. Anyway just though id give this insight into my hybrid z experiance and thank you and each and every one of you that has replied to my posts. ps., Braap the personal message is a good option for me from time to time because there are some questions i feel stupid asking in the public forum becuase of my level of inexperiance, thus receiving an answer and maybe some day when i get a helpful knowlledge base going give some valuable answers of my own in the forums