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The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Yah dude I know he gets this way when he is bored a lot. He has his own tools to play with, a whole tool chest of them. We have and old rusty Spitfire out in the parking lot that Dad is stealing the chassis from for a kit car but right now (and probably for years to come if he is this busy) it will be Willie's car. He calls it Herbie and he will work on it. Only problem is he will go out, play for 10 minutes, come back, annoy us for 30 minutes, and then go back out. We can't let him use our regular tools because he miss uses them. Even when you show him how to use it, he messes around and doesn't try. You can mess around with him and just go along with it but not for like an hour. He also can't use our tools because the tools and the cars bring in money for both of us now that I work for Dad. He can't touch our tools because he will lose them, like he did today with an Allen wrench set. Now we have to go out and buy another set, which ultimately is money lost. Like I said, do whatever you want with your stuff but don't mess other peoples stuff up. Lose your tools, its fine we don't care, when they're gone then you have to go find them or be sad. He always asks if he can help and thats one thing he has that I don't. Before I figured I better start picking up after myself I was a lazy dude. Never wanted to help with cleaning and stuff. Willie on the other hand loves to help with everything and anything, minus picking up his toys. At the shop though, he can't help too much with us because either we're trying to finish up work, or its just something that is too technical. Not much of the lug nut sort of work going on. More like restoration from the ground up and stuff. We do like to give him the task of getting tools but a 4 year olds attention isn't too great, and he hasn't learned his tools just yet but its a good time to start. If he knows what it is he then has the task to make it to the tool area, and back without being distracted by a bug on the ground or something. Sweeping up kitty litter he likes, but still learning too because the likes the dust and watching it go everywhere. We do that at the end of the day and I don't think Dad gives him a chance to really try since he wants to get home and he's grumpy unless if something good happens. If I stay the night with them I will take him off their hands because it probably sucks not to have any alone time, movies, normal dinners in a restaurant. The one thing I really need to be there for is feeding him. Ever since he was a baby he doesn't eat a lot. Only if Courtney or I came over would he eat and only if we fed him. Otherwise he had like a meal a day and thats it. Same way not unless if its McNuggets... Rather see a fat person than a starving person, thats for sure. What really made me feel upset with Willie is when a customer came by and said "Hey did you see my new paint job?" and he shows me his engine bay and its spray painted black all over. See I had known that Willie had done something but I thought he just colored his car with a crayon (which is still bad but it washes off), rather he took a spray paint can and decided to spray paint the motor. Luckily the guy didn't care because it was going to be pulled and rebuilt for next season but I mean seriously... And you can't blame us for keeping it in reach because that boy can climb like a monkey. He's a good kid inside but I think he just has a hard time showing it. Good intensions and he really does love his mom and dad. I just don't like the things he does and it makes him look like a monster. We were shredding branches one time and he wonders off into the house. All of a sudden we're like where did he go? Dad starts looking around, he went inside to see if he got a drink or something but he was nowhere in there, then he starts freaking out. I've never seen him so freaked out in his life. This was like having a stroke freak out, almost crying and frantically running the streets. I went inside to cover his trails and here Willie is laughing in his closet. He didn't mean any harm but I mean really now, he almost killed Dad dude. @_@ Alright so back to the main topic. My goal date is today, tomorrow, Sunday, whatever you want to call it and well... not so good news. Dad was heading out and I asked how Sunday was looking for him and that we need to pick up our radiator, starter, and headers. Well thats too bad because THEY'RE ALL CLOSED ON SUNDAY! >_< DOAH! And thats the end of my story. Failure. On the other hand I did get my motor built up today! Arrived at 9:30AM left at 12:30AM and I wish I could have stayed longer but Mom worries about me, especially the area, not very safe at night. I could stay there all day though. I love putting it together and making it work but I get carried away with time, and then I don't sleep, and then after a while I just don't wake up for 24 hours. Then I'm back on pace. >_> It's happened with school before, lots of yelling from Mom that day... The only things that are really left is to pickup the radiator, starter, headers and install the oil pan, oil pump, distributer, and valve cover, and all that crap that bolts to the block like motor mounts, alternator, etc. Don't worry I didn't paint 2 things red and leave it lame looking... Oil pan is red, mounts, all that "crap" that bolts to the motor like I said before is cherry red. However.... I don't feel that we timed it correctly. We put piston 1 at TDC, and made sure the valves were shut on that cylinder. We put the shiny chain link on the mark for the crank and the other on the #1 for the cam sprocket BUT I thought there was more too it... I started thinking and I feel that we should have looked at the lobe separation. From the tip of intake, to the tip of exhaust, so they are making a V shape, I feel that we should have taken that degree, lets just say its 270º for compression (the underside of the V when you look at the lobes), then divide 270º in half so which is 135º. So from either the exhaust or the intake, you rotate the cam 135º and this is now the middle of TDC compression/ignition. Otherwise you're intake may stay open too long/too short relative to the stroke. The piston may start raising up in the cylinder when the valve is still open for the intake charge blah blah blah. I started doing this with the feeler gauge but Dad said no you don't need to do that, as long as the valves are closed you are fine and for the purpose of this example only, the valves are closed 270º. So according to him, anywhere within that 270º the cam can be set. Now I may just be going mental or something but I do know I left out the fact that the pin in the cam must but lined up so the #1 gear tooth can match up with the shiny link. Basically, our shiny link was at the 2 o'clock position and the pin was at the 12:30-ish position, so if some how my idea made it so that the cam pin was now in some other spot, it wouldn't work unless if it either A: matched up with the other 2 holes which are given or B: you had an adjustable cam sprocket, which I don't. I'm still kinda confusing myself with this idea and I don't think I will fully understand until I go back and actually get my hands on it. I'm not good at drawing pictures. The rods with pistons. Like Dragonfly said, you can't really feel the the difference between shot peened and not, you can see it though. Thats about it for today. I won't go to the shop on Sunday, and I'll be gone until July 4th, THEN maybe I'll get all the goodies in the car and I will definitely have a video of the start up and stuff. Otherwise the day went well. No problems, Dads cookout went well. Lots of nice club members, some new, most long time members so they have seen Willie and I go from little to big over our years. They went to the dyno and can anybody guess what the highest power was for the day?! 101hp! I heard they had some wheel spin though with their thin tires so maybe a little more. I still wouldn't go crazy though... the 101hp guy had the works on his motor. >_> At least its a cool car. As a little extra bonus I'll throw in some pictures. If anyone else shares my nitch, I like to see who and what is behind a story, pictures so I can visualize. Here you go: Silly Willie, Will-I-Am, Willie Man, Bucko, whatever you'd like to call him. If anybody does recognize him somehow, everyone call him by William, or they will get technical with you. "Only his friends can call him Willie!" x_x Dad, sister, myself a long long time ago. We don't have any pictures of our family making a normal face but in general, Dad looks the same, big glasses, no beard, the same length hair still parted the same way and combed in the same direction. His head must hurt. Giant, soon to be Giant, another Giant. We grow like weeds. :/ Dads toy, and then 2 cars we built in the background. Black one is supercharged. Owner of the yellow drove the black and said he wanted that power. Dad said he doesn't want to mess with a supercharger anymore and built him a motor that out runs the black car, without a supercharger. Displacement is king. .25" over bore is winner. I think thats one of the cars he was truly proud of. Dads toy again and my toy before we tore it down. Thats my next goal. I have until September to completely build a track BMW. Now a test with budget and time. The reason why I didn't build a screaming 2.4L... That was a bad day, dude. And my momma. Can't forget about her, she supports me both mentally and financially for a little bit until I can get some money. Didn't feel the love the other day ago though when she asked if I really thought I would have it ready in time. >:[ Errrr. I could have! Its better this way though. Take my time, do it right so I don't have to go back, and its going to rain all week and I didn't buy new tires so we'd probably end up in a ditch somewhere along our 100 mile drive. I will talk to you guys in a week. Have a nice Fourth of July! -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
I'll read up on that! Do you think this motor is as beefy as your V8's though? We try offering him stuff, but in the end he always gets it. Its a strange story. He will get yelled at, but like a dog, you can't yell at them all day long otherwise they forget what they did wrong in the first place. So he gets it good with the yelling and what not for about 5 minutes, and then after that it just starts over again because Dad allows himself to cool off. So when he says "no milk for bed time!" either Willie will throw such a fit that its just like you better give it to him or no one sleeps tonight or he does 1 good thing and gets his milk. Seems almost like he knows he can be a brat the whole day, as long as he is nice 10 minutes before bed time or whatever, he will get it. Oh well though, not my child, not my problem. There is a reason why there is the word STEP in step brother. Dad always says your brother but I make sure there is a gap there because no I won't go to his wedding, no I won't give him money if he may need it to pick himself back up, and no I don't live with him and play with him. My sister is my sibling, not him. I'm a grinch aren't I. >_> -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Well I'm going to baby it for 500-1000 miles. 5 fill-ups at the gas station. Keep it under 5k. During that time I can wait a while and collect more money for MSD and then a narrow band for better tuning of carbs. Right now I think we'll just set it rich and let it go for break in. Today was ok, but more so of a huge disapointment. My plan was to build a motor. HAH! yah right, too busy babysitting the step brother. He's of the age where he's a little snot and doesn't understand the fundamentals of no money no food. With my step mom as some hotel hostess manager lady she doesn't rake in much money. With Dad unemployed, now self employed at his shop, working $45 an hour and makes like $10 from a $200 part for mark up, he doesn't do well either. So right now things are tight. The thought of a baby sitter hasn't struck their mind, mainly my step moms because she wants to baby him forever and ever... until they realize he isn't social at all and when little boys come up all curious and wanting to play, he sits there looking at the ground because he thinks he's like the only 4 year old in this world or something. When he does play he doesn't play nicely. As I am ranting on here, I am also ranting to my buddy. 3 points to make clear here: 1. This kid is spiteful. When we were trying to lift up a transmission, Dad is under a car benching this big hunk of crap and he's over here yanking and pulling on it, then he takes the dykes and tries to snip the radio wires. I'm saying no, Dad is shouting and when we get in his face he sits there, closes his eyes and smiles like yah whatever. We were baffled, what the hell is this, he's smiling at us like its a game, more like he knows its not a game and that its wrong but he doesn't care. I just don't know what to say. At the shop he likes to wonder off so we have this rule, tell us where you're going and its ok. Problem is, he never tells us. When Dad was out I got in his face and made it clear that he would tell me if he was going anywhere. Next thing I know I see him slowly walking out so I ask nicely where he was going. I get no answer but he knows I was talking to him because he looks at me, turns around and keeps walking. So I start going his way and he goes running off. No, I'm not going to chase a little **** through a parking lot, rather I'll watch him fall and scrape himself and then maybe he will think again. Then today I'm talking to Dad about the motor and he walks up with a block of wood and starts beating on it. Now I don't care if he beats his own toys, neither does Dad. If you're pissed, go tear you're own stuff up but when you start tearing other peoples stuff up, I have a problem. Especially if its $2000 worth of toys, $2000 which I have never had ever before. I was ready to go smack down on him. So angry. 2. He never learns. I will see Dad just smack his butt with his big hand and he'll cry, he'll get slapped for disrespectful things too, but he keeps doing them over and over again. He was talking with me because I have become more of a friend and like a go to sort of person than a son now that I'm getting older I guess and he is telling me he hates doing it but he won't let him take charge. He said it took Courtney (older sister) and I 1 slap to realize disrespect isn't allowed. From then on out we got the crazy eye from him and knew it was no more. He gives the crazy eye to Willie, and he gives it right back. Maybe he just thinks everything is a game but I don't see how that is a valid statement when getting yelled at and spanked isn't such a fun game. 3. I really think he is just there to make people angry and test them. I know little kids test their luck. The sort of thing where you say no, you look away but keep them in the corner of your eye and you see them slowly reaching over, watching you to see if they can get it. Yah, thats Willie, and yes he has done that several times. Numerous occasions I think gee its getting a little too quiet, I sneak in the office from the back and I see him reaching up for something. I'll say something like oh really and he immediatly reverts to the "I wasn't doing anything" line, even though I never asked what he was doing. Ok so thats typical but matched up with everything else he's done I swear he is going to grow up a mischievious dude. I'm worried about 3 more things though... 1... My step mom is very mellow, this is her first baby because the other didn't make it. Dad said don't piss in her cherios about it when she was pregnant, and I didn't but she is rightfully so very nice to him. When she sees Dad yelling and stuff she does nothing and its to the point where Dad is the punisher, and Willie will run to Mommy because Daddy will get him. Thats just wrong, wtf is that. I think she's even gotten to the point of making him think he's Bipolar because I saw a "How to deal with Bipolar Disorder" book on his bookshelf and I'm thinking are you kidding me. He's not bipolar, you're child is just crazy and its not easy for Dad because he was just getting use to me being 17, my sister being 21, and no more baby patience anymore. Now you throw in a baby and you have to go back down to its ok if something spills on the carpet and stuff, you're just a child. Now I have people making my dad think he's got a disorder because they don't know how to parent efficiently. I wouldn't say wrong because then everyone has their own way of doing things and this becomes a Dr. Phil moment. 2... With the way things are going, and he is a mischievous child, well thats just wonderful. Now we have someone out to go ruin the Barnard name. I'm a believer of generations to come and a name which holds true, no body insulting the family. He isn't helping with his disrespect, and dishonesty. He lies a lot and laughs about it too. Doesn't look good. 3... Dad is 49, Willie is 4. Last thing in the world we need is a strong teenage Willie running around being an idiot. By the time he is 16 Dad will be 61. I will be damned if he has the confidence to stand up to my father. I don't have the confidence and when I was hitting puberty and thought going on a rage was fine, he quickly cleared my head of nonsense. Rules were set in place, if you lift an arm, leg, foot, whatever to him or mom, I will be on the floor, and I will pay for my own dental bills. Take it however you want, but you won't do it. Also, you get one mess up, 2nd time you get kicked out, if you're such a big man, go out and live on your own. Honestly speaking, I think at 61 he will still be able to enforce the law of the land, but if he isn't I'm telling myself, age 29 then, I will become the punisher. I see him as an outsider and I have a feeling he does too. It appears the because of the way Willie is, and how he is somehow worse than my sister and I put together when we were little, Dad isn't so proud of him. Isn't much to be proud of yet but I remember he would always take me to events and be happy I was with him as long I wasn't doing anything bad. So really, as a son, if he somehow makes his way up to a level of defying Dad, he will have to think again because now you have me to deal with. I wouldn't do anything unless if it was dire though. I'm not the parent and I don't lay my hands on him but I do get in his face if he starts getting snappy at me but if he's a teenager and should know better, well thats a different story. Ok so if you actaully read through all of that then good for you, this is the end of my rant and incase you haven't figured out yet, I didn't get jack**** done today. Put pistons in and thats about it... I was pissed because of Willie, and because Dad leaves at 7. He left after we sorted out things with gaskets. I ordered this set and I'm missing the right gasket for the timing cover. So I'm making my own here all pissed off at the world, Willie is getting in my face, and Dad is fixing to leave so I'm freaking out even more. He leaves and I go on to put some more gaskets in. It would be fine but thats too bad it isn't because some of the gaskets don't fit at all. You can tell they are meant for that piece but the holes are like off half way and I'm cursing at myself thinking... you know... out of all the things I bought I have only had the crank, pistons, head, and machine shop do it right. Everybody else has messed up. Everybody. I can't believe how I make a task for myself and it just falls apart because people can't do business. Some of it was fine, its hard to keep up with everything, but other cases it was like... you never told me my stuff would be sent back if I didn't pay for it up front... you told me to purposely wait until they came in so we can make sure its all there... <== O'Riley's. Just baffles the hell out of me. The one good thing that happened today was I got my head back and get this... last payment was $35. I asked how much he wanted for pressing the rod, taking apart and putting back together/cleaning the head and he was like mmmm how does $35 sound to you? >_> Yah dude here! My total machine shop bill for this motor is $358. Is that not crazy or what?! When I left the shop I called up Dad. His phone is messing up and it cuts out so I just made it more of a statement than a conversation. Said I know you are having a party at the shop tomorrow but I left everything out because I can't get anything done, I don't trust myself without you looking over my shoulder so I'll be in at 8AM tomorrow. He said something but it was really messed up from the signal, but judging from his voice and mine, he knew I wasn't happy. So thats the plan... Put on the head and the chain tensioners, time it, and we're ready to haul it off. If I don't make it happen tomorrow then I'm out of the game and my goal is a failure. It was worth the run though... Pictures tomorrow. -
If this is an indication to the inside of the dampener rotating within the outside, refer to my instructions which came from Kas Kastner. Even if its a new dampener, it should be done because new ones can still show invalid marks ones spun: http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?p=902272#post902272 ^ read the post.
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The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Sent the head back to the machine shop to put back together. Took the solids from my E88, and the Timeserts inserts so that they will fit in. The past 2 days I did my porting and it was nerve racking since its my first time and Dad doesn't know this head any better than I do. I don't have it with me now but I opened up the intake a couple of millimeters. I basically followed the picture I posted and made the opening of the port 1.565" from the original 1.35"... I was slightly smaller than 1.565" though because I thought that I would have to do much more sanding when it came to polish them out and I left 1mm of free space to work with. Being aluminum and that you really aren't gouging the head, it polished out quicker than I thought. 1.565" = 39.75mm or something like that so I'm sitting at around 38-39mm intake openings. Now I stopped eating away when I reach the valve stem area. That picture shows it necks down and then you have the bowl. I kind of broke the rules by keeping the whole port uniform but I feel that to go from big to small in a nice slope is easier and takes less time rather than me trying to eat up the bowls and around the stem, probably ruining them too. I used a bit that looked like an inversed mace if you can picture it... Cylindrical bit and instead of having spikes it have little holes in it. Intended for wood but I didn't know that until Dad was like ".... hey if it works then thats great I guess." We do have some of the spiral looking bits but those things jump around ALOT and you wind up gouging. They also clog up with the soft aluminum and you have to go over to the wire wheel many times. The bit I used did clog up about 2 times per port but it cleaned up nicely in the wire wheel, unlike the others. It also didn't break somehow like the little ball point bit we had. Dad was baffled when it broke down the center of the ball because A: its a $30 bit B: Its going up against aluminum. The exhaust was slightly different. I feel like I half-ass'd on it a little because I know exhaust will be forced out so the setup may not be the same as the intake. Then again I could be completely wrong, I don't know. I talked with some of the Z guys here that port but I know I'm not going to get any great information and for good reason, its like company secrets. If you noticed in the cut away pictures, they only show the water which is on the top and bottom of the port, but there is water running along the sides. This would mean you need the port to be sliced from left to right rather than top to bottom. I asked Monsterz who had posted pictures of sliced heads in the "How to fix cylinder #5 overheating" and he said he would go get some when he went to work but I have a feeling either he forgot, he didn't feel like sending them, he never went to work. XD However he did say that the walls were a uniform thickness in general. I used this, along with begging and praying, that I didn't hit water on the exhaust, or the intakes... I WAS going to match the intakes to the gasket but I saw that there really wasn't much to take off and I was thinking "I'll be damned if I do this in one day and have a motor that doesn't make any power." Dad kept insisting to just match and polish, and I'm not one to go against his word but I knew he said this because if I struck water then I'll be on the brink of crying like a little girl. When I started to match them up with the scribe I saw how addicting it is to keep taking more and more off but I had to set my limits and at least follow the picture. Alot of the times I freaked out and just about took a huge dump in my pants because my head had some big casting seems and they are filled with little air bubbles. Basically every time you grind away the surface of the bubble it looks like a small hole for you're best friend, water. I am still worried about one after I finished polishing. I am telling myself it isn't water for 2 reason 1: there isn't water near the stem 2: I took my dental scribe and poked at it but the scribe didn't go in it, also if I had struck water the surrounding area would be soft and thin, and it wasn't. Lastly, I never took my bit down that far so it shouldn't be ground away any. I guess we'll see tomorrow when we get it back. Ok so I wondered off from the exhaust ports but to keep it simple, because I did. I looked at the picture and asked myself, how do I know that this isn't a picture of the smaller ports, because #3-4 exhaust are bigger. If I started opening them all up, the bigger exhaust ports may have less material and I would think otherwise. So basically I matched the other exhaust ports to the big ones. They're about 2mm smaller in width because I didn't feel comfortable with that much of an increase. I did however lower the floors on all the ports. The picture shows to did into the valve stem area but I chose the opposite and dug into the floor. Pictures coming tomorrow. The plan: Friday - receive all parts, build a motor Saturday - Dad is having a party at the shop and its dyno day so they will go do that and I will watch... :[ Can't really get anything done because guests will be all over the shop Sunday - get Dad to truck the motor over, put it in and get her started up! Everything is fine until Sunday. First off, I need to find an exhaust shop which will weld my pipes back on. I need to go in the same day so it may be hard to do. Secondly, Dad took 2 weeks to finally get his butt to the house and help me haul the motor off. Its going to be a Sunday so it shouldn't be like the other days but knowing my step mom, she's probably going to bitch about not spending enough time or something like that... Thirdly, a day to tune and work out bugs may not be enough. I would love to be optimistic but it is looking tight. I don't even know if my headers will be finished, he said they would be, we'll see. -
Is it safe to port with guides and seats in?
josh817 replied to naviathan's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Uh yah I'm doing my work with seats and guides in and its a pain in my ass. Mainly because I don't have any dremel heads which can get in there and smooth out the bowl without hitting the guides. Masking tape works well to protect the seats though. -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
I have neglected you guys in updates. Been working my butt off but something tells me I'm going to be just 1 day late and I don't like that at all. :[ Anyways I've hit the major part of the project, the head. I have been waiting on the intake gasket for a while now. Placed an order with Vicky Brit since Dad had some stuff to get too. Hit the over $1000 mark so we got free shipping. While I was waiting though I had a rough time finding bearings. Prices ranged from $30 to some ridiculous $150 for a set of rod bearings. I couldn't believe that out of all the places I looked, some had mains and were out of rods, some had rods and were out of mains, and the waiting list was like 6 weeks. Nearly **** my pants but O'Rileys had $30 rod bearings and we ordered some mains from my dad's friend who owns a shop and his orders come in next day. They were $30 but mark up is probably $60... I hope... I can't double the price just from mark up... So my last visit we had main bearings, put the crank in and checked clearances with Plastigauge, everything was good so we bolted her in. We were surprised to see how tight they had the clearances though because when we went to turn the crank and it was a bit stiff compared to other motors. Dad was like o_O something isn't right but we triple checked everything and it was fine. I guess Nissan just some tight spec motors, winning motors. ! The days before hand I had spent the night with Dad to get 3 day weekends in at the shop. Since I didn't have my gaskets I started cleaning up the ports, filled in the injector notches with JB Weld and ATTEMPTED to do some work in the bowls of the ports but my god those things are a pain in the butt. I think I may half ass on the bowls just so I don't ruin anything on the head. In fact... I may just do them by hand with very fine sand paper which you use to polish stuff with. I received my order from Courtesy Nissan and the head gasket looks good. Where I'm going with all of this is that I unshrouded the valves and polished the chambers to an extent by hand. I'm not very confident with what I'm doing, especially on an aluminum head. I didn't like the air tools because they have a tendency to bounce around and last thing I need is to resurface the head and dent th chambers. Also by unshrouding the valves it lowers the compression and I REALLY wanted to stay at 10:1 but I'm probably looking at 9.5:1 seeing how much material was taken off to unshroud. By using fine sand paper and doing the work by hand I was hoping to minimize anymore material taking off. Took a while and its not perfect by eye, but as long as its smooth to the touch I'm fine, and it is very smooth to the touch. :] Just to get an idea on where I am for port sizes I used my exhaust valve and slid it in the port. I doesn't quite slide in but a little bit more work and it could. The valve is 1.38". If any of you guys have a Sunbelt head or Rebello head, whoever actually, and they feel like seeing how big the redius is on the intakes, that would be lovely. As I progress I will get different cut valves. What I do is stick a LED light in the chamber and it shines through the port. Set the valve on the opening and you can see the minute contact places. Then you go back and open them up. Keep the port circular and even. Pictures: The LED thing I was talking about. Kind of hard to see. Looking into the port. I don't have any drill bits that can fit well in those areas so I'm having to work with what I have. The JB Weld. Its cleaned up now though. You can also see the studs I put in. Chamber work. Finished chamber. Again, hard to see... I didn't want the flash to shine back though. Found a picture of my daddy from a long time ago. Never thought he had one. I have until the end of this week to make it happen! Lets hope for the best! -
Well... think of it like this... for all those people who have money and like to be unique, this is worth it. You are paying to be unique. I would do it personally.
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Well each of those carbs is like $200-$250 new. You can get used for like $100-$150 but the jetting may be different for each one so they won't match. He said he would need the6 barrel mani that triple carbs/itb's use, which makes sense but I didn't have one of those at the time. I told him I didn't want to go over $1600 (thinking I was going to get 45mm Webers but wound up getting 40's) and he said think more like $1800+ depending on how difficult it is to link and sync them all. Maybe because of intake ports 3-4 are spaced far apart, I don't know.
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I already talked to the guy about it for Z cars but he would have to design something and asked for me to send him some stuff which I didn't have the time or money for in my build. He basically said look to see upwards of $1800 for 6 carb setup.
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The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Alright so here we go dudes. Just spent Friday-Sunday at my dad's and we went to the shop every day roughly 12 hours each day. Got tons of junk done. The list of things that are done: -Finished polishing rods -Sent them to machine shop to be shot peened and have pistons pressed -Picked up taken apart head from them and it looks great -Took the head studs from an E88 and put them in my new head so I can match up the ports -Dropped off the radiator to be flushed and fix all the bent fins -Dropped off the starter because the teeth on the gear are fargled -Chopped off the 2 1/2" collector on the header, I'm doing 3" exhaust -Sent the header on its way to be ceramic coated (guys please, don't rap your pipes. The wrapping will collect moister and hold it right up against the metal... ceramic coating is $150, polishes to look like chrome and keeps its shine all the time, and the difference between no ceramic and ceramic is 1500ºF to 370ºF, just do it.) -Sand blasted and parts washed all the hardware and they look brand new, really pleased me -Painted all the stuff that comes off the motor cherry red -Took apart the other 2 heads (I need the solid lifters from one) -Organized all my crap so when its time to put things together I know where it is -Because I'm not replacing the oil pump (chill dudes it worked a month ago it will work now) I checked the clearances and polished the gasket faces. Wasn't going to buy a water pump either but it froze up -Placed my FINAL orders for parts. bearings, gaskets, water pump, timing chain are all on their way. Thats $211 and then I have to find money to pay for the last machine working ($100), radiator work (probably $75), starter work (they're expensive bastards, $80), ceramic ($150) and then I should be completely finished. Now I am squealing for a couple of extra bucks so I'm going to be selling all my paintball gear and spare parts on ebay. Whatever is left after I finish this motor will go to 2 new tires. My front tires are good but the rear... well we all know how that goes. I want to put on my new wheels so what I'll do is switch the fronts onto the new wheels, send them to the rear, then buy 2 new tires for the front and have them put on the other 2 new wheels. They're slick looking Celica wheels but thats my opinion. Now time for another the trick **** moment, for cheap people. I wasn't going to buy a fancy new harmonic balancer but the old one looked alright... Only a little bit of break down from the little rubber piece in the center. Guys, if you are having timing problems or some rattling up front be sure to check that damper. When the rubber corrodes the inner ring will start to slowly rotate within the outer ring. Well on both l24 and l28 dampers the inner ring has holes drilled to balance. If the inner ring rotates, then you're throwing your motor off balance. Z garage discusses this problem. But even worse for some people (especially the racers) if you check your timing daily before your sessions or whatever, and the inner ring has moved you're timing will be off, that is, if you use the notches on the damper. Kas Kastner, vintage Triumph racer and team owner of the 80's prototype Nissan wrote in his book about this problem. With the TR6 racing and RPM's into the 7800's he wrote how one of his team members noticed the car was 300rpm's lower and lack of power. They rechecked the timing and noticed that it was 7º off due to the little rubber piece not holding. And don't go thinking it was some old damper, these dudes were racing SCCA in the 70's and winning so they were the type that rebuilds after every race, and tunes the motor every morning of the event. Those dampers were new and still had that problem. So his solution was to drill a 1/8" hole from the outer ring, through the rubber, and into the inner ring, do it in the groove for the belt so its not visible. Now every time you time your motor, have a 1/8" rod and slide it into that hole. It should slide freely in and out of the hole. If it doesn't then that inner ring has moved on you and you now know what to watch out for. Kastner, years and years of racing under his belt for Triumph teams. Dad uses his books to unlock all the secrets to building a hot racing motor. Dad's a clever one like Kastner and I think there was an event going on a couple years ago where he helped some dude prevent heat problems with some tricks. Apparently Kastner liked this and now Dad is in one of his books or something. Weird how that works. Enough talking, time for pictures. Lovely red color. Block will stay silver, everything else red. E88 with studs and solid lifters I snagged New head Blue marker was for x-ray crack testing I think. Save 2 valves for when I start porting this week. Using a drill press with 1/8" bit on the damper. Oil that bit so you don't break it. :/ Clutch came in while I was gone. Looks good, surprisingly same color red too. Lets see how it performs. The new wheels. Came with the car when I bought it so might as well right? They're nice and light too. And check it out. Grampa's old helmet. More like a baseball helmet. Dinky piece of equipment... Alright well thats all for this weekend. Hitting the shop 2 or 3 times this week so I can port and polish. I realized that I need more pictures of a sliced head to show where water is. The ones I posted were from the side but water isn't just above and below the port, its also on the sides so I need a top down view of the port. I'll do some searching. After this I basically just bolt everything together and check clearances. very exciting! -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Alright dudes I just got done talking to a guy who needs some hydraulic parts for a head. I need solid lifters and we were talking about trading some stuff but little do I know about these things, apparently the rocker arms are different from solid to hydraulic. The way the stay on the lifter. Heres my question: Can I use just solid lifters on my head (knowing I will probably need inserts to make them fit) or will I have to get the rocker arms from a solid lifter head too? The solid lifters have that little clip to hold them on. Hydraulics have them too? I can't remember from my head and I'm trying to look at crappy pictures to see... Won't be at the shop until Friday. -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Yah if I had to pull a reason out of my butt right now not knowing anything I think it would be because of the material and the way it drips. Too much surface area may not workout well? I have no idea. Do a search under ebay motors for "280zxt clutch" there is one in there thats like a triangle, very strange looking in my opinion. If they had typical looking clutches for the performance I need then I guess I'd take it. Doesn't matter what it looks like as long as it does its job. Better yet here: Then again who am I to speak. I've already shown my knowledge on clutches in this thread. XD That would be 0. -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Thanks Dragonfly. :] What sort of measuring tools are we speaking of? He has a lot of stuff that just blows my mind... he also makes stuff, very inventive when he needs a solution to a problem. Good news: Theres a dyno just down the street from the shop and every last Saturday of the month or something they have $35 for 3 runs which is cheaper than ****. That will be on my list of things to do at the end of summer when I slowly get everything in, MSD, finer tuned carbs, etc. Bad news: Courtesy Nissan did not have the "Out of stock" sign posted on the site with the head gasket... Instead I was told today (day after my order) that they had a shipment coming in soon... This may in fact be the final blow to me... Waiting for money, and now a head gasket will be the cause of my fall back I suspect. Not to mention I have to get threaded inserts too for solid lifter conversion. I wish I knew what hardware store Big Phil went for his. The video he made about the conversion said he would post it but he never did, rather he forgot. Now I'm going to a place called Time-serts thanks to some guys on here to point me in the right direction. -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Well, didn't get done what I wanted to today but thats alright because I had to prep the block and crank and stuff so they don't get all rusty and nasty while I finish some things up... All I need left are bearings, gaskets, and that head gasket. Bearing and gaskets come in a day from O'Rileys and the head gasket should come in within the week since Courtesy Nissan is right here in DFW. This will give me time to port and polish, finish my rods, and have them sent off to the machine shop for pistons and put the head back together. Head looks excellent by the way, wish it didn't have to be taken apart. Machine shop bill was $323 for everything, minus the pistons being pressed on and take apart/rebuilding the head for me. I should be finished at around $400 for all machine work which really pleases me (granted I DID get a discount because I'm the son of the dad who has a shop and has known the man for 20 years). I'm not going to paint the block any other color, I actually like this iron color paint. I'll probably do 1 more coat just to square it away. Since I didn't do rods I managed to prep the block and crank and then everything that had the vat bath I sand blasted and then used the parts washer to scrub any imperfections off. Need to go get spray paint tomorrow before they start to rust. I honestly don't care what color they are, probably silver just to go with the block. Doesn't matter, this isn't a pretty polished motor by any means. Pictures: Six in a row makes it go baby! Maybe I'm just picturing it wrong but it seems like the stripes would be wide apart. I do not desire spread out stripes. I desire close together, thick stripes. Like that. And when I said grey with white-ish silver stripes, I was refering to this car. -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
So I'm bored this summer night... Decided to think of paint jobs... I wanted like a dark blue with 2 silver stripes and a silver "240z" logo on the door but its too much work and may not turn out how I would like it. I was also contemplating a grey car with white-ish grey stripes... Don't want red (unless its very dark), green, orange, or yellow... White and black seems good too. The car is already white so that helps. Take a gander at my rough work in Paint... I would also like the "240z" logo on the hood, or maybe right behind the rear wheel near the side marker. Check out that copy and past on the bottom picture. I'm a pro at this Paint thing... XD -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Well, my head came in along with some steering rack boots while the motor is out. I figured out how much I'll have left to spend and its roughly $1000 or so, which I can support. Not to shabby. Dad keeps saying I need to replace the oil pump and water pump but I'm still saying no, if it worked a month ago on the old dying motor, it will work now. This is not a British Triumph motor where everything is held together with balsa wood and it breaks a day later (sorry any British dudes but Jaguar really did use balsa wood on some of their internals). Watch him be right and I make an ass out of myself... XD Just my luck. Anyways now that the head is in, I'll hit the machine shop tomorrow, pick up my awaiting beauties, start preparing a lower end while he is taking apart this head for me to port. I kept bugging people about how much material I have to work with because in the book they show my worst nightmare, hitting water. That would be a major road block... So after some searching and hearing that Brian (1 fast z) had some pictures, although he responded to my PM it must have messed up because it didn't show up as any text. Anyways I kept looking and became too impatient to search the many posts of Brian so I used the almighty search function "cutaway" and viola exactly what I need! As in... EXACTLY! We can all thank James (240z Turbo) for these pictures. To make things better, go and read the topic he made for it. It really is a great source of information on how to get the most out of a P90. Its old but its good so go check it out. http://forums.hybridz.org/showthread.php?t=85051&highlight=cutaway Intake Exhaust -
The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Hm I'm not using new rod bolts... I suspect these rods have 8mm but I have 2 other sets of L28et pistons, and those have 9mm. I'm hoping I don't have to drill the holes out... I must draw a line on what I am doing. With that said, this motor isn't to be blue printed or anything and unless if I have just never heard of checking the roundness, it sounds like its getting into the meticulous sort of stuff. I will ask my dad what he does for his motors, he may in fact have that done and just doesn't tell me until I ask. I do hope those bolts aren't my weakest link... I'm getting this dark sad feeling that they will be unless if I get ARP... -
I say the same thing. I looked at his motor and Rebello's motors and I sat down to think about what they did. I came up with: Good flowing head Good induction Correct cam Lightened flywheel (doesn't affect power but helps with rpms) Correct exhaust flow High compression but not necesarily 12:1 or anything. Rebello has motors running on 92 octane or whatever it is and they're making 300+hp Properly tuned Keep it that motor COOL Thats about it. I went out and bought all the necessary things to achieve this, now I just need to put it together but for some reason I don't see myself making a 300+hp monster. I didn't go proper on the cam, Rebello uses custom cams and I'm just using .495/290 but its close. You pay a lot when you don't do it yourself...
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Ok you guys are bugging me... Let me just settle it all now... NO MORE BICKERING. XD
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You said you set the afr and you're getting a wideband. Is it fair for me to assume you have a narrowband. If so, I need one, care to sell?
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Just bought a head from him. He does good business and makes powerful motors. I've talked to him on the phone several times and although he seems pushy and kind of rude its because thats his business and he has customers to take care of rather than talking to me about my motor build. His feedback is phenomenal and everyone says his motors are great. He's sold a 320hp stroker for $3500 or something, beats Rebello prices if you ask me. If you feel that the motor is worth that much then buy it. Only reason why I don't send my parts over to him so he can build a kick ass stroker is shipping costs.
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Tell me what model and year these rods are from and I'll look in the How To Mod Your Datsun OHC Engine. They have a chart and everything.
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The Saga of my First Stroker -- and some restoration...
josh817 replied to josh817's topic in Nissan L6 Forum
Yah right along this area it has some small lumps in it but I'm hoping because there aren't any edges on these lumps it won't cause problems. I'm figuring that if the whole rod has rounded corners and edges, it will make it much better. Do you think this bump will matter? I'm going to get these things shot peened but I've never seen a rod which has had that done before. I'm expecting to get a rod back with a bunch of little indentations and if thats the case then a little uneven lump on the rod doesn't seem too bad. Then again I could be all wrong. Bad news is I still have $700 waiting to come in from the guy that bought my turbo stuff. I told him to have the money in by May 16, and look what day it is now... I still have to purchase a head gasket and a clutch and I have 26 days to get that **** in. No money, time limit, and parts that still need buying, I'm getting really pissed and worried. I'm going to sell all my paintball stuff since I don't use it and then after that I'm stuck with borrowing money from Mom... I don't like doing that, especially with amounts like these. Everything with shipping here: Clutch - $140 Head Gasket - $150 Gaskets - lets just say $100 Bearings - $80 Pay Rick the Machine shop guy - I'm hoping nothing above $300... All he did was bore job, vat, turn the crank, press piston pins in and out. We gave him a box of other stuff to throw in the vat too but he doesn't charge extra since it just goes in with the motor. I will have him disassemble, clean any shavings, and reassemble the head after I'm done with it.... Can't be too much. Sucky part is that I can't go without any of these pieces. I need bearings to assemble the bottom end, the head gasket to unshroud the valves, and the gasket set (intake gasket) to do the porting! The clutch can come in last I don't care. I highly doubt the dude will take 4 weeks to ship from ebay. Luckily Courtesy Nissan is in Dallas so shipping it will only be like a day. I would go pick it up but... well gas prices will rip me a new one. EDIT: Talk about strange. I was going through 1 fast Z's website. He has the stroked silver Z with the 2 black stripes on there and I looked at all the engine components and guess what I found. That clutch I was talking about. I forgot that I had never mentioned the company of the clutch and its XTD. Same clutch from the ebay listing. Hopefully 1 fast z doesn't get upset that I posted one of his pictures on here. :[ More on the car here http://www.bandmzcars.com/silverzpage.html