ShaggyZ, aka Thread Police, aka Terminator, I did look at and read the thread Drax posted long before he post to the this thread. I have been doing my research and part of that research is to ask questions. Besides, what the point of having the site if you can't post questions and learn from each other? What I'm learning about you is that you have little or no patience for those who seek to learn about the Z car that we all have a passion for or you choose to only help those who you believe is worthy of precious little knowledge!