Exile Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I'm pretty sure I've already made a couple of posts, but I haven't started a build thread yet. Guess now's the time to do that. So, brief introduction. I bought this '77 280z on September 17th for $3k (probably paid too much, considering it wasn't driveable at the time), and I had big plans for it from the moment I saw it. I've already come to terms with the fact that I'm gonna be throwing a lot of money at this car, which I can live with considering I intend to keep it for a long time. I've already had to fix several things, including wheels and tires, the clutch, hatch, EGR valve, starter, and now I'm gonna have to replace the fuel pump and intake/exhaust gasket. I'm mostly making this thread to motivate myself to keep working on it, and to have a single place to reference for what I plan to do with it, and of course to bring anyone who is interested along for the ride. Also, if anyone here knows someone in the Sh(it)port, LA area who is good with S30s, any good body shops, and/or anyone with a dyno, please let me know. The main goal I have in mind for now is to get it to where it will run reliably in (mostly) stock form to the point that it can be a reliable DD, then I'm going to move on to upgrading whatever I can to make it drift ready and get it to at least 300whp. This is also my first project car, so I'm gonna try to do as much of the work myself as I can, but I may end up outsourcing some of the work to shops and stuff. Now, to list out what all I have in mind, roughly in the order of when I intend to get to it (I'll be adding things as they come to mind; I'm sure I'm missing a thing or two): -fuel pump -intake/exhaust -bushing replacements -replace all weather seals -suspension upgrades (coilovers/sway bars) -engine inspection (rebuild with upgraded components if necessary. Likely will replace motor mounts as well, unless they're really solid.) -flush and change all fluids -body work/rust removal/rustproofing/patching/reinforcing/painting/trim (all the metal work will likely be outsourced to a shop. Possibly painting as well.) -Interior repairs, reupholstery, and some custom work (gated shifter is a must) -brake upgrades, including rear disc conversion -driveline upgrades (trans rebuild or FS5W71C swap, competition clutch, driveshaft, CV axle and hub conversion) -upgraded control arms/crossmembers/other support structure stuff (might happen earlier in the build) -engine upgrades (rebuild w/forged internals, bore cylinders, cam/valve upgrades) -EFI/ignition upgrades (computer/full sensor swap, full fuel system replacement, DIS/COP ignition, cleaning out unnecessary crap) -miscellaneous stuff (LED/HID lights and other electronic work, bolt-on body stuff, possible forced induction) And now for a couple pictures. First one was the day I got it home. The clutch was completely shot, so I had to be towed. Second picture was right after putting on the new hatch because the old one was rusted to all hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIYdriftZ Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) Hello, I love the idea of this build. Any more progress yet so far this year? Edited December 26, 2019 by DIYdriftZ Typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) Ayyyyy, so I've made quite a bit of progress since I first started this project. It's been a hot second since I made this thread, but I'm going to try to summarize what all I've been up to since I got started. I've had a lot of time to re-evaluate what I really want to get out of this car, and I realized that getting it to be a "drift missile" is a bit of a pipedream as of right now. For the time being, I'm just gonna focus on getting it to drive reliably enough to daily, address the rust and body, and do as many upgrades/performance enhancements along the way as I can. Not gonna lie, I had a long hiatus on the car for the better part of 2019. Pretty ashamed of that, but I've been hitting it hard these last few months. Recently moved to the DFW area, so my options have broadened a lot as far as finding mechanical shops and whatnot goes. So far, I haven't had to do that, but the option is there now. ANYHOW. Onto a rough summary of what I've done. I'd been tracking down a hard start/rough running problem for a while with the car. I did find that the short length of hose between the AFM and the throttle body was riddled with cracks, so talk about vacuum leaks. I procured a replacement and stuck it on there, which was abundantly helpful, but the problem seemed to persist. (I still need to take it back off and cut it to the proper length). After that, I hit my 3rd year in the Air force and they kicked me out of the barracks. I was lucky enough to make it drive all the way from the base to the house I moved into without any hiccups. It ran rough, but it made it the whole way without stalling, so that's a win. After that, it sat... (See those freshly painted, ready to mount sway bars on the peg-board? We'll get back to those later.) And then a few months later, I finally decided to get at it again, since it was starting to cool off a bit. I started by removing the bumpers, which I'm sure sounds like a weird place to start, but I figured it would lighten the car somewhat and free up some space to do more work. Unfortunately, that bumper shock in the above photo was stuck on there good and I ended up gouging the crap out of the condenser with my breaker bar to get the bolts out. Whatever, the A/C system needs to be completely rebuilt or replaced anyways. After I took the bumpers to the curb for the trash people to pick up, Halloween happened! Back to work. I decided I would remove some things I would no longer be using, such as the radio, antenna, and the EGR valve. I also wanted to remove the tail light housings to see if I could restore those a bit. I never actually got around to that; I can worry about it later. One thing I did do was plug the hole left by the antenna with some RTV and the cigarette lighter, because why not? After all of that nonsense, I finally got around to doing some more meaningful things to the car! I followed a lot of the instructionals on Atlanticz about converting to the 280zx dizzy and internally-regulated alternator. No photos of that, unfortunately, but I did both of those within about a month of each other. It was also at this time that I discovered some awesome tools called solder-shrink connectors. Oh my god, they made splicing the wires to remove the external voltage regulator so easy, and as someone who's never soldered anything before in their life, they were a godsend! Highly recommend for anyone who is getting into the electrical stuff on their car! The alternator upgrade was very straightforward. I bought it reman'd from an O'Reilly and it came with a new condenser and everything. The only problem I encountered was that there was an extra connector on the alternator that I ended up not finding a use for. It did come from a zxt, so maybe it was something exclusive to those. Everything else was very straightforward, and it seems to work normally, so my only other guess is that it's supposed to be used as a second ground. Important note about the distributor upgrade. I did not come prepared enough for that. I got the zx dizzy from a junkyard, but I forgot one important thing. It mentions in the Atlanticz guide that you want to keep the connector for the ignition module, and they aren't kidding. I tried just sourcing the connector when I realized my mistake, and maybe I didn't look hard enough, but it seemed impossible to find. Seems stupid for a simple little 2-wire connector, but them's the breaks. I ended up just using two insulated wire connectors that I got at O'Reilly, and while it was a tight fit getting them to plug in right next to each other, it gets the job done. Another important detail about that is using the right wire size. As a result of not getting the pigtail from the donor 280zx, I ended up using a couple of lengths of wire from the transistor ignition unit at first. It didn't occur to me at the time that they might be too thin to carry the amount of current that the ignition controller needs. Again, without the source materials, I ended up getting some 14 AWG wire from O'Reilly and using that (can you tell what my favored auto-parts store is yet?). It may have been fine as it was, but I'm pretty sure it probably needed more current. Then again I'm a complete monkey when it comes to electrical nonsense, so I could be completely wrong! After all of that, I finally got the car to the point where I could turn the key and it would... click. After sitting for so long, my damn battery died. Got a new one, and was able to get the car to crank. I hadn't even tried to set the timing on the distributor yet, so I had my girlfriend turn the key while I slowly turned it to see where it seemed most likely to catch. It seemed that full advance was the place to put it, but it still wouldn't quite start. I remembered the AFM had been finicky in the past, so I had her move the flap by hand while I tried to start it. After a couple of more promising sputters, it finally started and ran! After nearly a year of just sitting around, I was finally able to get it to run again! It's hard to properly convey how good it felt to know that all of those electrical modifications didn't result on something getting fried, or the car running worse. I even noticed after a few times that it started almost instantly every time after this point, so I call that a win. Now, remember how I mentioned those sway bars? It was only at this point, over a year later, that I bothered trying to put them back in. I had ordered some energy suspension end links for them after I removed them, but didn't actually get the mounts or bushings. So at this point, I got those ordered. I got the front ones in without a problem, but the rear ones... It took me trying to use a floor jack to try to shove the bushings into the slots, but instead picking up the car before they went in, to come to the conclusion that they weren't going to fit into those stupid square slots without some serious persuasion (and these were made specifically for these mounts!). So, I got my hands on a bench grinder and shaved down the sides of the bushings. It took quite a bit more material than I thought it would to get them to fit. At least a millimeter or two on each side. I tried to get all of the sides even, but at that point I had been trying to get them to fit for hours and just wanted to get the stupid things to fit, so I wasn't paying very close attention. Thankfully, I finally got them to fit properly! And then I had to cut off the nutplates with a dremel because I forgot that I had sheared off the bolts to remove the rear sway bar in the first place! I'm pretty sure the majority of my raw effort in this car has gone to the motherf***ing rear sway bar mounting brackets, followed closely by removing the driveshaft bolts. Even replacing the clutch wasn't as arduous. BUT! After all of that, I am happy to say that it is streetable, if a bit rough. I still have a problem in the ignition or EFI system, because the car does like to bog down at about 3,500 and 4,500 RPM or so. I did notice that the distributor rotor and cap seem to build up deposits quickly. I have yet to inspect the spark plugs, but they're less than two years old and have barely seen road use. Of course, sitting around for a while probably doesn't do them any favors. I did buy a new cap and rotor, as well as getting one of those MSD plug wire kits and getting that all sized and hooked up. That seemed to help to some extent, but I'm thinking the next step may need to be getting a new coil to round out the whole ignition system. If it's not the ignition, then my top two suspects for what's causing the problem are the coolant temp. sensor (heard that can cause this exact problem) and the AFM. So, with all that being said and done, I am happy to report that I've come a long way with this project, but I definitely have longer to go, especially if I want to meet my original goal of drifting it, lol. I'm gonna try to keep this thread updated more often the further I get into it. My next immediate problem is going to be tracking down the bogging/misfiring issue, followed closely by finding out why my headlights aren't working anymore. I'm thinking I'm going to completely re-wire some of the sub-harnesses at some point, but that can come later. I actually started removing some wiring that I no longer need or intend to use from the center console wiring harness, such as the radio and antenna wires, and even unpinned the wires that I don't need from the connectors, but then I found something odd. There's this bladed connector that has a red/blue wire going to it. I referenced the wiring diagram, but the only red/blue wires on this part of the harness are for the radio (left connector) and the hazard switch (right connector). What's wild is that it's crimped to the wiring harness with all of the other splicing points for the other wires as if it's part of the factory wiring, but I have no idea what it's supposed to go to. Anyone have any input on that? Edited June 28, 2020 by Exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wal280z Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 On 6/28/2020 at 1:23 PM, Exile said: I actually started removing some wiring that I no longer need or intend to use from the center console wiring harness, such as the radio and antenna wires, and even unpinned the wires that I don't need from the connectors, but then I found something odd. There's this bladed connector that has a red/blue wire going to it. I referenced the wiring diagram, but the only red/blue wires on this part of the harness are for the radio (left connector) and the hazard switch (right connector). What's wild is that it's crimped to the wiring harness with all of the other splicing points for the other wires as if it's part of the factory wiring, but I have no idea what it's supposed to go to. Anyone have any input on that? Looks like at A/T indicator lamp if it's connected to that portion of the harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Ahhhhh, that explains it. I saved a copy of the wiring harness, but I removed all of the shit that I didn't think mine would have (all of the A/T stuff, for example). So yeah, I had that wire deleted on my copy. Makes me feel a bit stupid for not realizing that, but thanks for that! I can now safely remove it. Hell, I'll probably just re-wire that whole sub-harness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 Alright, I got out to the car for a little under an hour today (it's at a storage lot for the time being, unfortunately). I wanted to inspect/clean all of the EFI related stuff, as well as inspect the spark plugs. Bad news on that front, they appear to have oil deposits. F*** me, I really wanted to avoid pulling crap off of the engine for as long as possible. I still intend on taking care of other things before changing any head gaskets, but that's besides the point. I have the spark plugs arranged in reverse order (6 to 1 from left to right). It looks to me like Cylinders 4-6 are pretty okay, but cylinders 1-3 have excessive oil leakage. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Besides that, I went ahead and finished removing my old transistor ignition unit that I'm no longer using, as well as putting some contact cleaner on some of the connectors for sensors related to the EFI system, specifically the thermotime switch, the coolant sensor, and the TPS. I was about to hit the AFM, but it actually appears to be in very good condition. It must have been looked at before I bought the car, because it still has a lot of fresh-ish dielectric grease on the connectors, and the module for the AFM doesn't appear to have been cracked open. The flap also doesn't have any hangups throughout it's full range of motion, though it does stick closed slightly. I may address that later, but for now it's a pretty small problem. Could be a good or bad thing, but I'm not gonna mess with something if it doesn't show any indication of being damaged or too worn. I also went ahead and pulled that sub harness so that I could take a look at how I can go about re-wiring it. I know it's basically completely superfluous when I have much bigger fish to fry, but I do need something to practice re-pinning/wiring electrical components anyhow. Another little project I've been working on is taking the steering wheel and making a wooden cover for it. I'm still in the early stages of getting the wood shaped, I still need to get them cut such that I can glue them together, and then I need to work on the routing and all of that nonsense. I took two long planks of cherry wood to make the two halves and cut them into trapezoidal lengths to make a hexagon shape, then sandwich them together when it comes time to assemble the whole thing. So far, the cuts are the only thing I've gotten done. This is the first half that I cut. Take a lesson from me and don't try to eyeball these things, because this is AFTER I made corrective cuts to a couple of these lengths of wood, and as you can see, it is far from perfect. Being in Texas at this time of year, my brain was pretty cooked and I forgot how to actually make equally-dimensional pieces of wood that would form a hexagon, as if it's difficult to set a miter saw to 30 degrees and measure out 3 equal-length segments, and then split those segments in half in the opposite direction. So, I just took my plank and made some rough cuts based on speculative, half-assed measurements. Jesus I'm an idiot. As you can see, the second piece came out a LOT better, since I actually put in the effort to properly measure things out. I think the results speak for themselves. I don't have a router on hand, so I'm going to head to a wood shop close to me and see if they have one that I can use to make some cuts to fit and glue these pieces together and go from there. The next pieces of the car I intend on tackling are going to be the wiring for the headlights. As a test, I'm going to start by just re-wiring the leads to go to a toggle switch for the parking and headlights to see if the headlight circuit is f***ed, or if it's just the combination switch. I intend on using toggle switches for the lights regardless, just because I like the way they feel anyways. I'll do the typical relay upgrade at some point, but for now, I just want to make sure they're getting power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Posted May 23, 2021 Author Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) Heyooo, it's time for my annual update! It's important to note that I've lowered my standards significantly since starting this build and I'm just gonna focus on doing the things I can do with minimal outside assistance. I've reevaluated and realized that having my 280z running reliably and with just a few upgrades to pep it up a little is enough for me as of right now. As cost and time effective as it would be to do everything at once, I can't stand to have my car down for another year, and I don't really intend to race it anyways, so all the crazy shit I had planned before is getting benched indefinitely. That being said, I have discovered that there is quite a bit that I can do without dumping too much money into it to better prepare it for a time where I will do some crazier mods. But I digress. It is time to update this thread on my progress. First off, I decided to do a complete cleaning and rebuild of the distributor. I've cleaned basically everything and lubricated many of the parts already. The only thing stopping me from continuing is getting a new tension pin for the spindle, because my idiot self mushroomed out the top of it when trying to put it back in and now... It won't. I also finished swapping the fusible link blocks for a maxi-fuse block and inadvertently fixed my headlights on the process, lol. Probably not necessary, but definitely wanted. I have also taken to repairing the cracked dashboard myself. I ordered the fiberflex repair kit from Polyvance and got to work and I am amazed at how easy and effective it is! It definitely takes time, but holy crap, before getting this I never thought I would be able to repair my dash! I've nearly finished the initial filling with the fiber flex material, then I'm gonna move on to applying dash filler and finish with... Dash paint or something, whatever I would use for it. Oh, and did I mention I also pulled the head off? Hooray! I tried to use a chain retention tool to keep the tensioner from falling into the front cover but... Best laid plans. When the cam chain tensioner falls in, and someone's around to hear it, it DEFINITELY makes a sound. I tried to just do the valve stem seals, but I figured I might as well take the whole thing off and get a better look at the head, so here we are. I already planned on replacing the valve stem seals, but since I do have it off, I'm thinking replacing the valve springs with a set of 300zx springs may be a good option to posture for potential future upgrades. Pulling the head proved to be a very enlightening experience. For one, if you recall my previous post, stating I thought the spark plugs looked mostly fine... Things were not fine. Pictured below are my valves. They are CAKED in oil and carbon deposits. I suppose it COULD be from being a 40 year old engine, but they were literally wet when I got them out. All of them. I know some moisture is unavoidable, but they are covered in oil, as is the combustion chamber. Probably the cause for my misfiring problem from before as well, so my thoughts on the valve stem seals were probably accurate. So, anyways, I have more or less completely disassembled the head, save for the valve guides and a couple of the dowells from the cam towers that were too stubborn to come out. I have packaged all of my valve train components in an organized fashion to prevent any issues upon reassembly. I don't intend to replace the cam or rocker arms unless something bad comes out during an inspection of the parts. I already have new valve stem seals, and I'm sure new valve guides will be necessary as well. I originally intended to keep the springs as well, but I have decided to just get a set of 300zx springs to replace them. I did a couple other things as well. I've gone through some of the wiring in the car and removed wires that I don't need, such as all of the wires from the old transistor ignition unit I pulled and another pair of wires going to an A/T only component. I've also pulled out basically every interior trim piece (they're all in pretty damn good shape too, definitely all in reusable condition) including the rear side windows, as well as the whole HVAC system. Found out where water was leaking into the passenger-side while doing that. So, that about sums it up. The priorities now are getting the head looked at and rebuilt, probably check the bottom end as well, but I don't intend on having any more done to it than replacing bearings and rings if needed (probably needed). I do intend to port the intake manifold and weld some of the vacuum ports that aren't being used anymore, such as all of the A/C stuff. Head porting might come after that, but I want to try my hand on a component that I won't cry over if I screw something up first. After that will be bodywork and re-sealing body panels, doors, etc. Now, question time. Why do I do this to myself? 😕 Also, I did have a thought on cylinder head cooling. I know it's a fairly common issue to have cooling problems and detonation on cylinders 5 and 6 due to poor cooling in those areas. I read up on a thread from several years ago discussing various methods to try to remedy this. I know it probably won't be necessary on a mild street engine, but I like to keep my options open. That being said, my idea was to make a port that plumbs some coolant into the heater elbow at the rear of the head by #6, originating from near the water pump. Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on doing something like this? Maybe run a coolant line from the front of the head to the rear? 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Tarheelz Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hi did you figure out what the cause was for the oil caked spark plugs? Was it the piston rings? My Z has 5 out of 6 plugs soaked in oil and I've been avoiding pulling the whole motor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Posted June 8, 2021 Author Share Posted June 8, 2021 My leading theory is the valve stem seals being old and worn. The head gasket seemed okay when I pulled it and I didn't see any cross contamination between the oil and the coolant. I can't speak for the pistons/rings, and I have no basis for saying what I'm about to say, but I get the impression the valve stem seals are the more likely culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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