A to Z Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 ChatGPT. For those of you who haven't used it, it is Artificial Intelligence.."A.I.". I entered all the information on my engine everything. It has given me an estimate of the power my Z car engine should make at 6 psi.....which is what I saw yesterday on the gauge when I let off. I really don't want to add more boost , as I already have 11.54 to 1 compression, 20 degrees timing at idle with vac disconnected and plugged....and run her on 91 octane pump gas. I got it running well on this setup, and YES my knock sensor...I have seen it "intervene" twice. (pulls timing up to 10 degrees based on the severity of the knock it picks up) also keep in mind, that even though I have large diameter wheels which throws the rear gears off, I have 4:11 gears before them so it puts the power that IS there down nicely. Power wise, It could be less, but kind of a fun thing to see what the computers "educated guess" is: numbers seem low, but it's a light car and geared down, so "seat of the pants" says it runs pretty hard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 3000 RPM is when I can give it the gas. Prior to that have to slowly ease into the power, so the carb can keep up. add gas easy and steady, let off easy and steady. Motorcycle carb with about a 1.5" gas pedal range. It definitely feels like a 2 stroke power band! engine has a longer stroke, so the mid range is very strong, and at 3000 even half throttle you are REALLY moving....and it REALLY snarls if you floor it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 Comprative estimates from other AI platforms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 07-13-2025. HEAT. That was the issue I ended with the other day, so some insulation for the turbo I ordered on Amazon came in and I went ahead and installed some over the hot side (turbine) and end piece where the wastegate is. In doing that I removed the brake master cylinder heat shield and hit it with my buffing attachment in my electric drill with some Mothers mag wheel polish......not very good end product, but better than nothing. I also got rid of the screw holding it in place on the top bracket by drilling a hole and using a bolt with nuts and a washer to get it right. I took a bunch of pics, then took it for a ride. My work didn't solve the heat! Someone mentioned going from my stock 180 degree thermostat to a 160 degree one, so I found one on amazon for under 10 bucks and ordered it, and I am waiting for a new speedo cable as well, as my 53 year old original broke. When I got back from a drive I checked the temps of things under the hood, and the area I insulated was half as hot as the other day, but the engine still is running so hot. The tune is rich which makes engines run cooler and the hood is always open a hair now to cool it as well. the last pic is a spot where the insulation actually burned a dark spot! How would that happen? It's rated for 1100 degree continuous heat. Did they lie?? I just don't know what to think. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 click below for quick video: V1.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 14 Author Share Posted July 14 another video just listening to it. click below: V2.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 15 Author Share Posted July 15 So, the heat issue has caused me to go ahead and order a 3 row aluminum radiator with dual electric fans. I decided to get one I found on Amazon, made by CB Auto - which is in CHINA. So, half price of others and looks to be okay. I also went ahead and got an anode made of zinc that screws into the drain petcock. This is what allows the minerals to attack it instead of the aluminum in the radiator. I also will be switching my thermostat to a 160 degree one I ordered. Since I have had good luck with the chinese parts I have used, we will do this. factory video, click here: https://www.amazon.com/vdp/048db201f503475ea5ee22731531c6e1?product=B0BQGTGGL4&ref=cm_sw_em_r_ib_dt_8D3hq5NBWLJy6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 My SPAL fans arrived today: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 07-19-2025. Well today was a day to get the car ready for it's updated radiator and fans, and do some other small work. I took both SPAL fans and tested them to ensure they work and that they spun in the right direction. Then I began the process of pulling the radiator out. I found that I needed some different bolts for the water pump pulley, and so while there I went ahead and got all new hardware for the radiator when it gets here. I bought some thick rubber washers to isolate the aluminum radiator fromt he car, to keep corrosion of the radiator at bay. After that I swapped out my radiator thermostat from the factory 180 temp to a 160 temp and then installed a new Speedo cable. I spent a little more and got one from the Z car Depot, partly because it comes with a new firewall grommet. Ready for more new parts to arrive! PICS: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 Radiator arrived: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A to Z Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 shroud complete and ready to go~! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 07-25-2025. I had a couple hours today, so I decided to see if the radiator would bolt in. Since June of 2021 I have been building my Z car. This is FIRST aftermarket part EVER to bolt right in. I didn't have to mod it at all. I was speechless. Granted, swapping the fans out to the SPAL fans required drilling and playing with it to get it done. However, I was able to drop the radiator and the fan should assembly right in. It is still loose, but it is there, hoses on, loose, but the idea today was......with a little time to see how far I could get it together, it literally just fell together. So "cubauto" on Amazon, there radiator for our Z cars goes right in! Now, the overflow tube on the cap was put on crooked, so I have to live with that, that is the only negative in an overall very nice looking package. Because of the size of my remaining port on the thermostat housing, using a sensor to turn the fans on and off isn't going to work. Being that my Z is just an around town toy, I will be turning the fans on and off via toggle switch. The remaining switch is 20A rated, but I ordered a switch that externally looks the same but is 30A rated to swap in. I will be feeding both fans with 10 gauge wire which is 30A rated and will forgo using a relay. 30 fA use and it will be basic, clean, and work. I swapped out the 19 lb radiator cap for the facotry 13 lb one for now. Pics follow. Good few hours today! Cheers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 07-26-2025. Okay....radiator and fans installed and working. Waiting on the Thermostat sensor probe that is on it's way. 1 bottle of Water Wetter added. click below for video: fans work.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 27 Author Share Posted July 27 92 degree day Click below to see video: 07-27-2025.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 pulled from heat soak to almost midrange in under 10 minutes, sitting still, no additional airflow. SPAL fans are #1. Yes, it is a 3 core aluminum radiator, and a 160 thermostat, but it got heat soaked, and my twin 10" SPAL fans pulled it back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted Sunday at 02:17 AM Author Share Posted Sunday at 02:17 AM 08-02-2025. My thermostat probe arrived, and after a bit of thread sealer I installed it and crimped on the end to finish that job. then I FINALLY got my new speedo cable screwed on to the back of the speedo. IT WORKS! In testing out my fan, I took 3 pictures of my gauge you see below. The first one is where the fans turned on, between the "M" and "P" on the word "TEMP". The second is what the fans pulled it down to , and the third page is where the fans turned off when I had turned the engine off and the fans were running....when they stopped I ran and took this pic, so don't fret about the oil psi looking low as the engine was off! I also have 3 videos at the end of the pics, just walk around type pics. So I can really say it's done. I did the car twice before this, and then the turbo install which turned into a MAJOR undertaking. Was it worth it? Yeah, but I didn't know how deep the rabbit hole was going to be when I started.....if I had I may not have done it, but what is done is done. With a draw through turbo setup like this, you have to have an "educated" foot, gradual on the adding power and removing power unless you are over 3000 RPM. That is the way these are, or at least the way mine turned out. I know the instances where it will go lean for about 1-2 seconds in certain accelerating situations, and hitting the Water/Meth injection right then smoothes that out. I think a small block Chevy (with dual 4 barrels & a nice cam) would have been way easier than all this, but maybe keeping this an L series makes the car more "neat", I don't know. Anyway this my Z car, version 2.5 V1.MOV V2.MOV V3.MOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted 10 hours ago Author Share Posted 10 hours ago 08-07-2025. DYNO morning. Found out a couple of things. 7 psi in 3rd gear WOT at 5500 RPM, 9 psi in 4th gear WOT 5500 RPM. She is RICH....rich to the point of fuel popping, 10.0 to 1, A/F rich, and didn't want to go past 5500 RPM (strange since on the road she will but nevermind). So, there is probably 40 horsepower left in her in the DYNO guys mind. We made 4 runs, and in 4th gear without using any Water/Methanol injection, it pulled 196.8 hp at the rear wheel, at 5500 RPM and at 18% drive train loss that is 232 hp at the crank@5500 RPM. Torque was 268.3 at the rear wheel, 316.59 at the crank@ 5500 RPM. Boost was 9 psi at 5500 when he had to let out because it was so rich. We did a run in 3rd gear WITH water/Methanol and it pulled 226.7 hp at 5500 RPM at the rear wheel, so 267 HP at the crank@5500 RPM and 260 torque, which is 306.8 TQ@5500 RPM, boost was 7 psi. So, as I thought when building it, the stroker and the stock cam made it into a torque monster. well over 300 ft lbs. torque, 232-267 horsepower.....but it is PIG RICH. So, power is limited by being rich. I have dyno charts, but the RPM range at the bottom is all wrong. we weren't able to get to 6000 RPM because of the rich condition. He said it was basically 10 to 1 A/F on the runs, which is WOT, so the main jet is just too big. I can step it down one. As expected, the carb is the limiting factor. I will post the dyno sheets, but as I said the RPM range at the bottom is wrong. he let off at 5500, I wanted 6000 RPM but he said it just wouldn't do it., when he let off the throttle the unburned fuel was popping and banging. Pics follow (video at the end). V1.MOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFloridian Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, A to Z said: 08-07-2025. DYNO morning. Found out a couple of things. 7 psi in 3rd gear WOT at 5500 RPM, 9 psi in 4th gear WOT 5500 RPM. She is RICH....rich to the point of fuel popping, 10.0 to 1, A/F rich, and didn't want to go past 5500 RPM (strange since on the road she will but nevermind). So, there is probably 40 horsepower left in her in the DYNO guys mind. We made 4 runs, and in 4th gear without using any Water/Methanol injection, it pulled 196.8 hp at the rear wheel, at 5500 RPM and at 18% drive train loss that is 232 hp at the crank@5500 RPM. Torque was 268.3 at the rear wheel, 316.59 at the crank@ 5500 RPM. Boost was 9 psi at 5500 when he had to let out because it was so rich. We did a run in 3rd gear WITH water/Methanol and it pulled 226.7 hp at 5500 RPM at the rear wheel, so 267 HP at the crank@5500 RPM and 260 torque, which is 306.8 TQ@5500 RPM, boost was 7 psi. So, as I thought when building it, the stroker and the stock cam made it into a torque monster. well over 300 ft lbs. torque, 232-267 horsepower.....but it is PIG RICH. So, power is limited by being rich. I have dyno charts, but the RPM range at the bottom is all wrong. we weren't able to get to 6000 RPM because of the rich condition. He said it was basically 10 to 1 A/F on the runs, which is WOT, so the main jet is just too big. I can step it down one. As expected, the carb is the limiting factor. I will post the dyno sheets, but as I said the RPM range at the bottom is wrong. he let off at 5500, I wanted 6000 RPM but he said it just wouldn't do it., when he let off the throttle the unburned fuel was popping and banging. Pics follow (video at the end). V1.MOV 2.48 MB · 0 downloads Nice results, torque is amazing, Dyno day is always a fun day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A to Z Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago Thanks. the stock cam and the Diesel crank gave me that torque figure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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