Guest bigjim240z Posted June 11, 2002 Share Posted June 11, 2002 it there a painless wiring setup that i can use to wire a 240z..headlights, tail lights, tack, dash..i mean everything eletrical in the car?..one of the 240z's that i have had an owner who ripped everything apart ..he yanked the dash , disconnected all the wires under the dash and now im kinda worried about it all...or is the datsun wiring harness under the dash pretty simple?..i hate wiring andything...i would buy a book but i cant even figure the diagrams out...please give me some advice before i end up selling it..and its kinda getting hard to find 240z's these days..lol..thanks jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Ditto. If I can save a few bucks doing it this way over the Painless system, great. I think the major appeal to Painless is the fact that they have all the wires individually marked, thus showing what wire goes where. The convenience of that (and the piece of mind) is what sells the product. If something very similar can be achieved more cheaply thru Waytek, fine. All in all, I think if you have a diagram or similar visual plan for rewiring the car, I think it will be easier NOT to get over one's head in doing this. For that is the greatest fear of rewiring that I have. The added expense of having to get someone else to finish it is not what I want. Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Thanx Tim ,you are always on top of things. I ordered the free catalog for reference material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigjim240z Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 hey owen..im in san bernardino ca..where are you?...love to check out your car...thanks for the link tim..one question...after i get this catalog do they have like how to books?..or just eletrical parts?..i need a how to wire your car book for eletrical dummies..lol..i can build an engine, fab motor mounts, trans mounts, do body work, paint a car,almost anything automotive but when it comes to eletrical work i suck!..dont get me wrong i can wire up a stereo, amplifiers and things like that but the thought of doing a whole car scares the $hit out of me..thanks guys for all the help thus far..jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Guys, I'll post a picture tomorrow. I'm not about to try upload via dialup (do it on T1 at work). Davy and Jim, If you can wire a stereo, you can do the whole car. Best thing to do is to draw a basic wiring diagram (very basic) that contains all the circuits (starter, fuel pump, headlights, flashers, horns and so on and so on). Then it's just sitting down (on a soft cushion...trust me on this one) for hours on end, stripping and crimping wires and terminal connectors. If you guys want, I'll post the part numbers that I ordered from waytek with the pictures. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigjim240z Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 that would be great if you posted the pics and part numbers..it would help alot!..thanks jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Its really easy, I have the 18 circuit Painless kit. Sure its expensive but less time I have to spend buying wire and measuring, etc, the better. The Painless kit won't wire your gauge's tach signal, H2O temp sender wire, etc. but it will do all the gauge lights and grounds, headlites, taillites, etc. Where in Cali are you? Owen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Jim, Get a catalogue from www.waytekwire.com and rewire it yourself. Get a new fuseblock and some relays and wire and go to it. That way you can have relays in places where Datsun should have put them and have a more logical wiring layout. I bought a very nice fuse block, 12 relays, and some connectors to redo my wiring for the LT1 conversion. I have ripped out all the underdash wiring looms and replaced all the gauges with autometer ones...just for point of reference. I can post pictures of my new 'electrical center' if you want. IMHO, the Painless products are VERY overpriced, and still (from what I have heard from others on this board) needs quite a bit more wiring work to complete the installation, since it is a universal unit. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deMideon Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 That's exactly what I am going to do too! I would love to see pictures of how you set it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Here's some pics. Obviously not complete yet, but you will get the idea: I will post the part numbers for the fuse block, connectors that clip into the block (that the fuses can push in to) and the relays. You most likely wont need as many, but I am running a relay for just about EVERY circuit, just to be sure. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratedZ Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 I don't know about you guys but seeing all those wires in that pic sends shivers up my spine.... I got the catalog too but you have to get their pricing through one of their vendors because they don't list it on the book. How much are the universal kit going for? I personally like the fact that Painless marks each and every wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Rated, Are you reffering to the Waytek catalogue? In my one the prices arelisted in the back few pages, by part number. Hell if I could afford the painless kit, I would definitely get it...no doubt (my intention is not to put Painless down, but dang it's pricey$$$$), but it would still mean adding relay circuits and extra fuse circuits, so that's why I went this way. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratedZ Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Sorry I didn't clarify my self...anyway I got the catalog from Painless because I've been wanting to re-do everything to kill off some electrical gremlins. I'm going to order a book from Waytek and see what they have...I didn't want to spend an arm and a leg on this so I'm interested in what other companies have to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 Tim..Thanx for the encouragement to go where I have never been before. Your project is about 10 times more complicated than my simple carburator application which I now plan to splice in the Zee to Chevy. There is no doubt if a FELLOW GOT involved in a wiring job like yours he would be an expert who could trouble shoot any future electrical problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted June 12, 2002 Share Posted June 12, 2002 TZ, that's exactly why I want to do this myself (and most other stuff too) so that if I get any electrical gremlins (which I had better not after all this effort , I will know exactly where to look for the problems. I'm sure that it would be much quicker/easier (if not a little more expensive) to go the painless route, but....for the same reason I tackled the LT1 engine harness myself (and I was tempted many times to just say "F"-it and buy the painless kit), when I am done with all the wiring I can say to myself: "I did it myself"...to me, personally, that is more than worth all the headaches and 'wasted' time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToplessZ Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 What about other companies than painless. American autowire or another similar company. Some seem to have some really good kits if your will to spend the bucks but they may even be better than the painless option. Any input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim240z Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Jared, No experience with any of them, but since they are "universal" kits, there will always be some amount of extra work involved. I don't anything will be 'plug and play'. That said, they are probably all a good starting point. Anything would help when you are dealing with a 30 year old wiring harness. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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