DavyZ Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Are flex hones that expensive? Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gbvol54 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I think the run about $50 or so. But if a guys on a tight budget rental tools can help avoid costs. I'd suggest asking around buddies and see if you can borrow one. Or spring for the $50 and sell it afterwards on e-bay for $30 (maybe?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Northern Auto Parts 1-800-831-0084 has a rigid cylinder hone with a mircometer head for 139.99 if this is what you are looking for (reamer or hone?) web page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 I cannot find a flex hone for rent to save my life. But ridged hones are everywhere. To me it makes more sense to use the flex hone because and thats what we were taught at school, and used. Because the ridged hone can't hone small variances in the bore, since I am doing a rebuild without boring so its all garage work no machine shop. Should I go ahead with the ridged or wait to find a flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyvette Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 http://www.northernautoparts.com/ProductDetail.cfm?ProductId=911 flex hones are no ware near as precise as THIS TYPE or this type http://www.bobstools.com/Store/media/15000clp1x11x11x1.jpg a ball hone is faster and easier too use but it tends to follow the cylinder surface not hone only the high points so you wind up with a surface that could be slightly irregular in circumferance and taper faster that with the parrallel stone type hone, BOTH STYLES WORK FINE MOST OF THE TIME IF USED CORRECTLY but your less likely to get in trouble from incorrect useage, speeds lubes, angles and cross hatch patterns with the parrellel stone hone. http://www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdengi10.html#2833 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1 Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 A NAPA store can order the flex hones for you out of their tools catalog, but they're pretty pricey at about $100 IIRC. Maybe you could find one to borrow or find someone to do it for you for less than the cost of the hone if it's a one time deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted November 27, 2002 Share Posted November 27, 2002 Thanks for all the posts. I have called everywhere and no one rents the ball hones because they are easier to screw up, what I was told. So I am going ahead with the ridged hone, I've used both before but feel like I got a better finish from the ball hone. One of the previous post said the ball hone was faster. So I guess maybe when I used the stone hone I didn't spend enough time on each cylinder. Can you over-hone your cylinders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest silverbullet Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Originally posted by Quik280:since I am doing a rebuild without boring so its all garage work no machine shop I am not trying to get picky or anything I am just curious about the terminology people are using these days, I think if you are not boring the cyls. it would be called an overhaul, if you bore/hone block, rework rods/grind crank/rebuild heads, that would be a full blown rebuild(at least that is what I was taught in school)any experts know for sure? Grumpy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 The decision to bore or not to bore should be made based on the condition of the cylinder,(ring ridge,taper,out of round,scoring) and not on finances. If the engine was a low milage engine with NO wear, then you could get by without boring. Especially if you plan to run forged pistons. Since they require more piston to cyl wall clearance. In either case I would still recomend using a rigid hone. If the cylinders have ANY wear, you would be better off putting in a good running used engine to get by until you have the cash to do a proper rebuild. Then sell the used engine to someone else in the same boat when you`re finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Quick 280....The finish on a honed cylinder should look like hundreds of scratched "X's" hence the term "cross hatch" you move the hone up and down to create this effect. I prefer the 3 bladed flex hone. I stop when I have good uniform "cross hatching" from top to bottom. I use lubriplate and wd 40 as a lubricant with frenquent cleaning to remove grit from the honing stones The cross hatching also highlights irregular surface,excessive taper or micro grooves in the cylinder that may need boring to remove. Also the ridge left at the top of the cylinder at the end of the of the piston travel should also be removed fairly easily by honing, If I cannot clean all these irregular surfaces up after a few minutes honing in each cylinder ... the block may be a candidate for boring . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Re-build or over haul is not the question..How long will it last is the question (lol). The difference is in scuffing up the cylinder walls as opposed to boring them out by a machine.(or turning the crank undersize/or solving the question with plastigauge . With so many applications there may not be an exact terminolgy. That is why you have to ask questions, read the fine print and read between the lines and consult Mr. Grump for the final analysis. Lot of ad copy serves as butt wipe .Silver Bullet..what all you got going in dog leg town . If you ever in the "world class" River City , come and see me upriver in the backwater known as Fall Creek. Have any trades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Low mileage (2558 mi. to be exact) rebuild, redo, doing it again. I am just knocking the glaze out and I was just curious about other peoples opinion because at my young age I don't have much experiance. But damn I've tried a lot, nothing has failed yet but will for sure someday. I am sure 90% of the members are older than I and have rebuilt, raced, tried, and failed a lot more than I have. So cut me a little slack (silverbullet) when you start quoting what I have put in. We are here to help each other and I will help if possible and will always be asking so get used to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Whoa there Quick... put away your bullets (LOL)Some times there is not a need to shovel $ into a vehicle. For example.I have an old still presentable 620 (1978) pickup with the L20 B that began burning about as much oil as gas but still ran good. I pulled off the head and did a home valve grind job with lapping compound/suction cup and a Makita drill (put the springs back on/poured solvent level across the combustion chambers from the parts washer/ no leaks the next morning. Pulled the pistons / rods and honed the cylinders with my 3 stone flex hone with only a visual inspection of the cylinder walls. Put it back together with new rod bearings verified by plastigauge compression and cheap old Hastings rings. Put about 1000 miles on it utility hauling. Brother brain damage borrowed it for an extended period and returnned with a blown head gasket. The radiator drain plug had a tiny drip that only leaked when the engine ran. Pulled the head to change gasket and there was my cross hatching still visible. My point is this: it is a driver to haul things and I do not need to tie a lot of money up in a vehicle that I paid $350.00 for.It starts it runs and with some tools and a credit card < I would drive it coast to coast without much worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest silverbullet Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Quik280: I am sorry if you think that I was getting down on you, but if you re-read my post you will see I did say that I was not getting picky and I was just using your quote to ask a question to some of the more experienced members and you will see it did get us some more info. from Tomahawk Z and denny411, no hard feelings . Tee Zee: dog leg town? HA! never heard that one before,not much going on here, sounds like we are in the same boat, to many ideas and not enough $, no trades here as I need everything I have just to keep the silverbullet running, it has been a fine car for me but after 10 yrs. and over 100,000mi. it is time to fix a few things before it breaks down on me, let me know when you get the Tomahawk running and I will come down and see it, I've never ridden in a V8 Z, would love to see what it can do(maybe I will get to do mine one of these yrs.) if you are ever up this way look me up, or if you are about these parts and break down give me a ring(will PM you with my phone #)I don't have many resources but I still have transportation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Start out in any direction from the straight wide streets in downtown Salem and soon find yourself on these little streets more crooked than a dog's hind leg. Young friend Nate (Nezzie 76) has a V8 hybrid in addition to his Vello Rossa ( what a thrill) and will give you a ride. Waiting for that Tomahawk may take awhile.( I actually have the 350 SBC in the car) I am bound and determined to take the longevity crown from Pete P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest silverbullet Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Originally posted by Tomahawk Z:I am bound and determined to take the longevity crown from Pete P. I dunno, eventually I think I will beat both of you, I am hoping to get done while we still have gasoline avalible (sorry Quik280 didn't mean to highjack your post ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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