Guest Anonymous Posted March 7, 2000 Share Posted March 7, 2000 Dude...this is a serious unit! I don't think anything could break it..probably not even 1500HP. It is wide but stubby in the nose so it will fit fine in the new chassis. The unit looks practically new and the LSD unit still has stickers on it. The only drawback to this thing is the weight..75lbs. I could go with the Aluminum case but I would more than double my costs and I'm sure strength would be lost. I'll get over it. SpencZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 SpencZ, How much did you pay for that unit??? Just curious! Mike ------------------ "I will not be a spectator in the sport of life!" mjk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 8, 2000 Share Posted March 8, 2000 Mike...I just discovered that I got screwed. I was down cleaning the foam popcorn out the gears and realized that what I was looking at was an open differential that looks like a clutch posi. I wrote a very angry e-mail to the seller and an e-mail to ebay.com telling them that I got screwed on their web site. The seller e-mailed me back and said that the guy he bought it from said it was a posi and he never looked at it when he bought it (yeah right). E-bay doesn't like people who screw other people so I'm not too concerned. The seller uses e-bay to sell bunches of stuff (at least from what his history says) so getting booted won't be good for him. The seller says he is going to fix everything but I told him that if things don't get fixed quick there is going to be serious trouble. In response to your question Mike, I paid around $225.00 for the unit...a very good price for a good posi...a very bad price for a useless open diff. I'm very pissed and don't like feeling like I've been bent over a chair. SpencZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 9, 2000 Share Posted March 9, 2000 Just wanted to let everybody know that I wasn't screwed and was just uninformed about the operation of a Ford Positrac unit. I have been told that they axles will spin in opposite directions when no torque is sensed in the input shaft. I always expect a posi unit to spin in the same direction...guess I was wrong. SpencZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RON JONES Posted March 10, 2000 Share Posted March 10, 2000 Spence,I.m not to sure about that posi unit?Any limited slip unit I,ve delt with, the axels don,t spin in opposite directions.Open diffs only do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 10, 2000 Share Posted March 10, 2000 That is exactly what I though..but I called around and the Ford Positrac seems to be different. I'm not going to frig with it any more. It is going in the car as it is...I'm at the point of not really caring whether it is a posi or not. SpencZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Locutus Posted March 10, 2000 Share Posted March 10, 2000 as you know I do dirt track racing, and the first car/truck I built was a 1981 Ford F150. Now i don't know whether it is posi or not, but I am putting it back on the track this year, and some friends are going to help me out in determining if its posi or not, if its not they said that you can weld the gears or something like that to make it posi. Send me pics of what you got, and I will compare it to what I have. And if you want more info I will email you any changes we make getting my truck ready to race. I wouldn't think it would be very strong welding your rearend to be posi, but the guys swear by it and so does most of the stock car world, and stock car racing puts a lot of stress on a rear end, you get hit many times in a race and its got hold tough. Just a thought if your intrested Mike(Locutus) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted March 10, 2000 Share Posted March 10, 2000 YUP, welding the gears is a common known practice in racing circles. Lots of guys in the ITS series weld up the rear of Zcars to get a cheap posi. Circle track racing is OK for doing that, as would be Drag racing I guess. However, if you want a car to handle in the twisty stuff, don't do this mod. One of the big complaints by ITS racers about this mod is rear wheel hop and over steer in curves. The sweet thing about a LSD is that the proper torque load is there when that independant wheel needs the extra torque, but not when it is unloaded. Mike ------------------ "I will not be a spectator in the sport of life!" mjk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted February 6, 2001 Share Posted February 6, 2001 don't know if anyone will read this or not, but lsd is coming for the r200. Be ready this year, from power trax sean ------------------ "I feel the need, the need for speed!!" "Don't hate the player, hate the game!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pauli Posted February 7, 2001 Share Posted February 7, 2001 the powertrax unit isn't lsd, it's a locker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted February 7, 2001 Share Posted February 7, 2001 Yeah, on dirt a locked spool is ok due to the slipperage and the fact that both wheels are spinning in a controlled skid anyway, the champ quick change diffs are that way. Dirt Oval is probably my favorite racing to watch (cars and bikes), outlaw sprinters are just so damn explosive powerwise and they race so close while tossed sideways its amazing. Lone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Shasteen Posted February 7, 2001 Share Posted February 7, 2001 quote: Originally posted by SpencZ: Mike...I just discovered that I got screwed I realized that what I was looking at was an open differential that looks like a clutch posi. I wrote a I'm very pissed and don't like feeling like I've been bent over a chair. SpencZ Spence, Document everything you've been thru, everyone you've talked to & what date/time you talked to them & what they said: Especially what the retailer said. take pictures of the gears as they were when your received them. If once its installed & you discover its not a posi-you have all the possibilities of a "Consumer Complaint" suit against the seller. Another issue to take note: Make sure you have shown this axle to your neighbors & any other credible individual as a witness. If you havent shown it to anyone & install or change it by welding it-the Def.Atty. if it comes to it can claim "Spoliation" of the Evidence which may dimish judgement in your favor. Have your neighbors sign a sworn statment that they veiwed the contents in an undamaged, unchanged manner-you can have that statement notarized or have two or more witnesses sign said statments: this is the same as a notary. Before you install tje unit; call the retailer once more & explain to him/her if you act on their advice & install the unit/later to only find out its not a posi-they will find themselves on the wrong side of a "Consumer Complaint." Dont be ruthless/threatening-its beyond personal now should be nother more than business. Of course its personal-but your complaint is business-that is how you should conduct yourself. Keep everything on a Professiona and Business level. If that conversation goes something like this: Sorry Mr.Spence, that is how the unit was marketed & sold to us, We cant help you! Your comeback should be, I'm not interested in how it was sold to you-that is between you & them. I'm specifically referring to transaction whereby said unit was sold to me by your company. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO YOU FOR THE PRODUCT THEY SOLD TO YOU; Anything outside of the transaction between you/them is "OFF POINT" & is immaterial. Dont worry about them; once you settle w/them they will in turn file a consumer protection complaint against the wholesaler that passed them the faulty goods (They get their money in the long run also). KEEP IN MIND THIS COMPANY THAT SOLD THE UNIT TO YOU IS RESPONSIBLE TO YOU. THE WHOLESALER THAT SOLD IT TO THEM IS NOT RESPONSIBLE TO YOU BUT TO THE RESAILER THEY SOLD IT TOO. It can get confusing sometimes; but have patience. Then after talking w/the retailer & they still hold true that it is a posi; hang up & write them a letter restating everything you just said to them on the phone. Carbon Copy a copy for yourself. Mail it to them Certified w/Return Receipt Requested. This protects you from any defense on their part-that you acted on your own & possibly damaged the unit as a result from your actions. Maybe to provide a little peace of mind; most consumer protection complaints are settled out of court; there are just a few steps & hurdles to go thru...the most important step is to protect your interest by making your complaints up front & documenting them some how-this creates a record for the court to look at if the need arises. Every state in America has extremely harsh laws against retailers that take advantage of consumers; thus the laws are in favor of the consumer. The courts hold retailers to a higher standard-they are suppose to be the experts. Consult an atty who handles consumer protection compaints & he/she will tell you the same. Most consumer protectiion laws also allow for damages beyond your out of pocket exp's: this is why they are usually settled out of court: Courts hate BIG OLE MEAN "INC" Companys taking advantage of LITTLE OLE CONSUMER. I Emphasized those two because insurance co's defending these complaints know that States dislike giant co's taking advantage of consumers. Dont weld the gears; if you discover its not a posi-this will/could diminish your chances of any indimnification. One other point to remember; if this retailer is a Corporation; then they have to have insurance to operate; or they are self insured. If they have insurance-then you/your atty will be dealing w/their insurance...(Deep Pockets and will most likely settle out of court); if they are Inc. but are self insured-then they cant afford a costly consumer protection complaint & should be more than willing to cooperate. First & foremost, you have to exhuast your administrative abilities; this means making a few calls-discussing your problem w/the right person & following up w/Certified letters restating what occurred in the previous conversaiton. This shows that you were acting in good faith-Courts like this. Make sure your letters are dated & start out: As per our phone conversation 01/25/01 you were made aware of....yada yada yada. You will find that things will come out ok in the end; dont get discouraged & if needed consult an atty who will work off a retainer. Good Luck [This message has been edited by Kevin Shasteen (edited February 07, 2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RON JONES Posted February 7, 2001 Share Posted February 7, 2001 Kevin,I hate to tell you this but Spence has not been active on this site for quite some time.But how knows he might be lurking around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Shasteen Posted February 7, 2001 Share Posted February 7, 2001 quote: Originally posted by RON JONES: Kevin,I hate to tell you this but Spence has not been active on this site for quite some time.But how knows he might be lurking around here. Ron, Thanks; I didnt even look at the date of his post-just saw his complaint & my insurance instincts were triggered. I see now it was Ellobo's power trax entry that posted Spence's old complaint: Ellobo-That Wascally Wabbit! Anyway; the info goes for anyone who feels they have been wronged; as a consumer. You do have rights. [This message has been edited by Kevin Shasteen (edited February 07, 2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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