majik16106 Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 just curious what you guys are using. stock ecu with a piggy back like a power fc or e-manage or a tec3 or what. im still on the fence.. im comfortable in all my 7m-ness but im ready for something new and id love to keep it all nissan this time but i want to stay away from the rbs. I probably would have any bigger of a turbo set up than a gt2871r with cams and this car wouldnt see anything except 18-19psi on pump. any suggestions? my 7m car was a stock ecu and afc for a bit then we used the powerhouse racing map ecu. so i can run with either.. i just hate making more work than neccessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR240Z Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 if you have a tuner with the datalogit program then go with power fc. It is a full standalone it just uses stock harness for all the sensors unlike the Tec systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted August 14, 2006 Share Posted August 14, 2006 I love my Tec3, but I have to admit... its a bitch to install. Alex is right about the PowerFC. I am a standalone man, through and through... so my opinion is tainted. Maybe you shouldn't listen to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Maudlin Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I did the Power FC. Check my posts. The Power FC was a pain. Even with the FC datalogit. I suppose if I knew enough about programming it, there would be a lot you could do. It is hard to find a professional that will program the Power FC. I have switched to Enthalpy ROM tune. It is much easier. Enthalpy does a retune for cheap. I will probably get a piggy back to fine tune some day if I have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgkurz Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 The answer is "it depends". For example, how much tuning do you want to do yourself? If you want the flexibility of tuning your engine no matter what changes you make and are OK with going through the long process of perfecting your AFR's then definitely buy a standalone EMS. In my opinion, a standalone EMS can be tuned for better AFR's then a piggy back or modded OEM ECU like Jim Wolf. I'm not saying they are bad; it's just that the AFR's may have more lean/rich spikes because they only use one tune for many cars. With a standalone EMS you can correct anomalies with your specific setup that a piggy back can't or at least won't do as well. A counter point for using a piggy back is that you don't have to go through the long, long, long effort to get the system running well. It will run reasonably well out of the box. There were many days when I wondered why I bought a standalone. It was tough to see my friends out enjoying their cars while I was still tuning. I have learned a lot during the process and have my car tuned better than most piggy back/OEM modified systems but it took time and patience. Just my .02C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Maudlin Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Yes, what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horishima Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 I'm going with the FC, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR240Z Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 ryan, as long as you have someone who really knows how to tune it then its a good standalone, but if you get someone who is kinda half-ass tuner it wont do you any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horishima Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 ryan, as long as you have someone who really knows how to tune it then its a good standalone, but if you get someone who is kinda half-ass tuner it wont do you any good. Well that will be much later I still have to have you guys build me suspension, as for the FC a friend used to tune for Signal and he said it would take him about 2 hours to tune my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewis Maudlin Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Well that will be much later I still have to have you guys build me suspension, as for the FC a friend used to tune for Signal and he said it would take him about 2 hours to tune my car. I call bullshit. But really, I am sure he is a capable tuner, but 2 hours with a Power FC is a little unrealistic even if he is the absolute best Power FC programmer out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR240Z Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 if he has the datalogit it is possible and somewhat of a good base map to start from. maybe a map from another customer, then its more than likely to be able to tune it in 2 hours on the dyno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 I can easily tune a car in two hours if its running properly. Problem is a lot of people like to get cars tuned when they need maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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