Extreme Hi-Octane Injection w/ Boost or NOS INSTEAD Of Fuel

[Guest Mike]

I've been toying with the idea of using an EXTREMELY high octane fuel sprayed from a dedicated fuel cell for use with NOS. This could work with boost also. Tell me what you think.

 

IDEA: Use a dedicated fuel cell with a heavy mix of the stuff below (OR sprayed full-strength) INSTEAD of the added fuel under boost. This eliminates the need to run a full tank of EXPENSIVE race fuel all the time. The super high octane additive can be sprayed ONLY under boost or while spraying NOS. This allows use of 93 octane pump gas under normal driving while giving LOTS of octane boost while under... boost!! It's the best of both worlds, don't you think? A level sensor can be used to prevent NOS injection if the fuid level is too low.

 

Here's the additive... http://www.kemcooil.com/product_info.php?pId=61

 

OCTANE SUPREME 130 -Octane Boost

 

TREAT RATES R+M/2

0.6- Ounces OS-130 to 1 gallon / fuel……2.0 point octane increase

1.2- Ounces OS-130 to 1 gallon / fuel……3.5 point octane increase

1.8- Ounces OS-130 to 1 gallon / fuel……5.0 point octane increase

2.4- Ounces OS-130 to 1 gallon / fuel……6.5 point octane increase

3.0- Ounces OS-130 to 1 gallon / fuel……8.0 point octane increase

6.0- Ounces OS-130 to 1 gallon / fuel……11.0 point octane increase

18- Ounces OS-130 to 1 gallon / fuel……16.0 point octane increase

 

EXAMPLE: 18 ounces added to 10 gallons of fuel will turn a 93 octane into a 98 octane, 30 ounces into a 101 octane, etc. Guaranteed! Due to EPA regulations this product is for off road use only.

[510six]

I am running a similar setup for my methanol injection system under boost .It uses a single 160lb injector facing towards the turbo in the intake piping that sprays methanol under boost.A 3 gallon fuel cell is mounted in the trunk and uses a 90 psi fuel pump that is internally regulated, so the 160lb injector at 90psi acts like a much larger unit.And the alcohol vaporizing is a chemical intercooler and due to the fact that the injector it is controlled by the AEM EMS as a suplemental injector and can vary the amount of fuel according to boost levels.With N20 a supplimental injector controller could be used, or the supplimental injector option in several aftermarket EFI sytems including megasquirt.

http://www.sdsefi.com/eic.html

BTW I am using the SDS injector holders and they look even better up close.

[grumpyvette]

its a whole lot less expensive to use a home brew octane booster, THINK, TOLUENE & XYLENE mixed with race gas in very high percentages as the SEPERATE fuel mix to feed the nitrous system

 

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/octanebooster.html

 

http://www.team.net/sol/tech/octane_b.html

 

 

http://www.turbofast.com.au/racefuel2.html

 

 

http://www.diabolicalperformance.com/hotrodoctane.html

 

methanol can also be used but it requires a much higher fuel/air ratio

 

and before anyone says anything TOLUENE is up to 30% of whats in NORMAL high test high octane gas, and up to 70% of the content of race fuel

[Guest Mike]

510six

 

You're way beyond me with your knowledge of fuel injection:icon56:

 

I have a carbureted SBC and I want to add just a little nitrous... I can't spray this motor much because it has cast pistons. Very soon, I'll have an all forged 383 or 406 SBC built for me and I want 200HP NOS for that one.

 

I'm suggesting using this stuff "probably" in it's pure state to boost octane as much as possible but only when necessary... just as you are with alcohol. But this stuff has tetraethyl lead and the manufacturer claims HUGE octane boost with relatively small amounts of the product. I figure a dedicated one galon cell should suffice for my little street rocket:wink:

[Guest Mike]

grumpy

 

Have you checked out this product? They claim HUGE octane increases with very little product. They accomplish this by adding tetraethyl lead. Yes, I know it's dangerous... I'll be extremely careful. I know it's ecologically unfriendly. That's another reason to use it sparingly... only while spraying the NOS (or under boost). AND the higher octane race fuels have tetraethyl lead too. There's no other way to get those extreme octane numbers... or am I mistaken:confused:

 

Toluen and xylene can't come anywhere close to the numbers this stuff can if it performs even half as well as the manufacturer claims. Maybe I'm wrong about that too:confused:

 

What do you think:confused:

[Guest Mike]

I found another site with a post about Octane Supreme 130 . One guy has a friend who works at a refinery and they actually tested the stuff. It really works. He said he added one quart to 12 galons of 91 octane and attained 100 octane!!

Here's the thread... http://www.t6p.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2780.html

[Meghan]

Mike.. The setup sounds like what Wheel to Wheel Powertrain describes as "Octane on Demand"...

 

http://w2wpowertrain.com/images_w2w/contentPDF/OCTANE_ON_DEMAND.pdf

[Guest Mike]

Meghan

 

Thanks for the post. Yes, that's very similar except their system is more sophisticated and much more accurate than what I was proposing. I was just talking about squirting a fixed amount of this additive or a highly concentrated mix along with NOS instead of fuel from the main tank. You know... like the simple NOS kits? This can be accomplished at minimal expense... one very small fuel cell and some extra lines/fittings. Their ECU cost more than $2.2K:shock: Sheesh... I could waste a lot of fuel/additive that much $$$

 

Go figure... everything has already been invented, right?

 

At least this proves the concept is sound:wink:

[510six]

I am a painter by trade and have used both Tolulene and Xylene from time to time and have mixed both to make a higer octain brew.It worked great with a turbo motor.My thought is if your going to be using a small fuel cell when the N20 is engaged I would think about using methanol/ethanol even E85 if it is avalible in your area.You could buy a pump from coolingmist.com and add some Klotz Uplon.This would provide needed octain and be a bit cheeper than race gas too.

[Guest Mike]

Thanks 510six.

 

There are some home-brew Toluene/Xylene/lube mixes that do work well. But none of those have tetra ethyl lead, which is the best octane booster by far. I'm not even a novice at EFI or N2O injection so I'm relying on what I read at hybridz and other sites. I'm told that the secondary spray of fuel is small enough that to boost octane 10-15 points is impossible even with alcohol. It seems logical that though, if the additive in question is to be diluted, perhaps ethanol is the best medium. This is all dependant on the actual ratio of the primary to secondary fuel. If one can spray 20 percent extra fuel under boost or with N2O, then pure toluene will raise octane by about 5 points or so. This stuff will raise octane about 20 POINTS