Guest Frank Rich Posted August 7, 2001 Share Posted August 7, 2001 Has anyone else noticed the four-piston calipers on eBay that are offered with powder coating and plating and hex-head mounting bolts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=593934637 These look to me like they are just the Sumitomo(sp?)/Toyota 4x4 upgrade (and I may be dead wrong about that and just showing my ignorance - they look kinda different in that red powdercoat), but the detailing and amount of work that this guy is offering make them kind of attractive - although much heavier and probably not nearly as effective as the Outlaw setup that SCCA/Mike sells... Any opinions? Worth $295.00/pair? "Lead me not into Temptation, I'm getting there just fine on my own!" Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted August 8, 2001 Share Posted August 8, 2001 they look pretty but for a SOLID ROTOR come on!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frank Rich Posted August 8, 2001 Share Posted August 8, 2001 Yeah, Mike, I know - I really want to get the Outlaw setup from you - I guess I'm just a sucker for darn near anything painted "write-me-a-ticket-Red" I'm about to go and rescue my 260Z body shell from a paint shop that's had it so long that I've forgotten what it looks like, and when I start bolting pieces back on to it, I'm going to upgrade all the brake/suspension components, so here goes nothing...how close to a divorce will you get me (in dollars - just kidding) for a complete five lug conversion, front and rear with the Outlaw components? No coil-overs yet, just brakes - oh ,yeah - its an early 260 if that makes any difference... "Lead me not into Temptation, I'm getting there just fine on my own!" Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modern Motorsports Ltd Posted August 8, 2001 Share Posted August 8, 2001 Powdercoated?? Either I'm misinformed or...but isn't powdercoating applied at ~400deg.F?? Anyone pushing their brakes HARD will see that easily! And more on a solid rotor. I went to 13's to avoid 1000+ F. Buy them/melt it off and take him up on his warrantee Anyone wants powdercoated pistons and hex head bolts I can offer that quite cheaply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted August 8, 2001 Share Posted August 8, 2001 Frank, for the BIG fronts thats $950 and rears are near $500 .. with ebrake or the outlaw 1000 setup. you can do smaller fronts - with the 4runner calipers but still heavy... and going to stage 2 with the 11.5" rotors is only 100 cheaper in 5 lug.. so people seem to choose the 4runner type or the big stuff in 5 lug.. the $650 setup i do is more accustomed to the 4 lug setups for a bolt on- while the $950 may seem like a lot- ask around the rotors are massive and the pads are .800" each so they will last a VERY long time on the street. the savings on wear and tear will offset the inital cost somewhat. it can be done for slightly less with a oem caliper but the look of the outlaws is worth more than the $150 savings on using oem stuff.. MIkelly and BLKMGK both have the same fronts and similar rear setups they can tell you what they think of the stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frank Rich Posted August 8, 2001 Share Posted August 8, 2001 Actually, considering what you're providing that price doesn't send me too far into "sticker shock" , and if I EVER get the engine and transmission sorted out in this thing, I definitely want the brakes to be up to the task of stopping it. Nothing is sure to generate a high pucker factor quicker than going too fast and discovering that your brakes aren't quite good enough :eek ! As soon as I finish "negotiating" with the body shop that did not do everything I asked, (and screwed up quite a bit of what they DID manage to do :mad I'll know how soon I can throw the funds into the brakes - they may end up owing ME money!. Thanks for the info - I'll be placing an order and sending $$ soon. "Lead me not into Temptation, I'm getting there just fine on my own!" Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest larkja Posted August 9, 2001 Share Posted August 9, 2001 I have tried contacting this guy on three separate occasions re. his 2 piston and 4 piston calipers. He has not returned any of my messages. I would be very careful buying something from somebody who does not have the courtesy to return an e-mail inquiry about his product before purchase. Imagine the service after the purchase. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted August 9, 2001 Share Posted August 9, 2001 i imagine you mean the dude with the powdercoated calipers as the comments like "this guy" almost made me think it was me..... and i respond to everyones email............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 Always except when out racing on the weekends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest larkja Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 Mike/SCCA - Yep, I meant the powdercoated calipers on ebay. Thanks, BTW, for the advice on the rear disks. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueovalz Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 One question to throw up, many years ago the issue of less rigidity with alloy vs steel calipers (spreading under piston pressure to the rotor) was a concern. Has this been resolved with the current design of calipers, or is this issue of rigidity vs weight still a valid arguement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Ross C: Powdercoated?? Either I'm misinformed or...but isn't powdercoating applied at ~400deg.F?? Anyone pushing their brakes HARD will see that easily! And more on a solid rotor. I went to 13's to avoid 1000+ F. Ross - that sounds in the ballpark for powdercoating - I though it was a bit higher than 400degF, but not much. Remember, the caliper hopefully won't get to 1000degF, just the rotor. Assuming the brakes are working, the caliper ought to be at ~500 degF or less, since most brake fluids will boil above that temp. Still, sounds like regular powercoating would be marginal. I'm pretty sure there are higher temp coatings available - JetHot, for instance, is applied at 650degF as I recall, and once cured, is good to 1400degF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modern Motorsports Ltd Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 OK, now if one 'jet coated' a caliper (ie. ceramic coated) it would now be insulated correct and that's not so good? or a non-issue for overbuilt rear brakes that might not get hot anyhow? I've been trying to find out what might work for coating calipers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 JetHot and others also have "emissive" coatings that help them radiate heat rather than contain heat. These are often used on intake manifolds and such and I think are black in color. I have NO idea what the costs might be but for the ugly SX brakes it's probably a much nicer finish than stock. Actually, how do the SX calipers look bead blasted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modern Motorsports Ltd Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 "..ugly SX brakes..." I think early ZX is ugly and SX quite standard for appearance in modern rear brakes, just IMHO. You're the first to call it ugly/hopefully that's not a v. common shared viewpoint or it might not fly? In any event the rotor looks kewl at 11-3/8's. Anyone used cad plated rotors? Does the cad just wear off fast in pad area and then stand up fine to the elements in the remaining areas? I'm looking at cad plating in silver or gold as option on the rotors [ August 10, 2001: Message edited by: Ross C ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 I think the gold cad color looks a little more trick, although it it more conspicuous--which is what I like! The SX calipers look better IMO than the ZX ones! Again, IMHO. Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted August 11, 2001 Share Posted August 11, 2001 Ya', CAD plating would be very nice. I believe my RX7 rotors have it and they actually still look gold pretty nicely. Do the calipers too if you can. Maybe I'm just spoiled [ August 10, 2001: Message edited by: BLKMGK ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted August 11, 2001 Share Posted August 11, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Ross C: OK, now if one 'jet coated' a caliper (ie. ceramic coated) it would now be insulated correct and that's not so good? or a non-issue for overbuilt rear brakes that might not get hot anyhow? I've been trying to find out what might work for coating calipers..... I'm guessing that the powdercoat would form a heat barrier as well. The JetHot probably wouldn't be much worse. We've been through this before, but I'm not convinced that the 'emissive' coatings will help, either. While they should help the radiative heat transfer, I have a feeling that they might adversely affect the convective heat transfer - due to the coating blocking direct air contact with the caliper. I would guess that the 'emissive' coating would help when the coated part is in an area with little or no airflow, though. [ August 10, 2001: Message edited by: TimZ ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted August 13, 2001 Share Posted August 13, 2001 Ross, FWIW--I don't think gold cad is "ricey" by any means Just thought you should know--I'm in the heart of rice country and the gold cad is not something I'd associate with the ricers. Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pparaska Posted August 13, 2001 Share Posted August 13, 2001 quote: Originally posted by DavyZ: ...I'm in the heart of rice country... Davy I am going to say a little prayer for you . Sorry to hear that, Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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