Jump to content
HybridZ

Will not idle


naviathan

Recommended Posts

Have you ever heard of a VB921 actually blowing? What reason could it have done that?

 

This seems to be the easiest thing to blow up on a megasquirt. Dwell settings and spark output inversion settings are the two major reasons for blowing these up. I didn't see dwell settings in the pictures above.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 51
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

The difference between 3.1ms and 3.6ms will not blow the VB921, especially if you are just idling the motor. You need high RPMs (duty cycle) to get the VB921 hot if all settings are close (I've run a VB921 on the test bench overnight at 7000RPM, and it got quite hot, but never burned up). Chances are, the output is not inverted, so the VB921 is sourcing current through the coil most all of the time. Check your settings and wiring again. If I had an MS-II, I would hook it up in my lab and confirm that the output is inverted with a scope, but all I got is MS-Is.

 

If you turn on the ignition, and don't start the engine, the VB921 should never get hot. If it gets hot when the engine is not running, the output is not inverted.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I need an O-Scope so I can check that. If it's not th dwell that overheated the VB then what the hell could it have been? I've considered maybe the jump box did it. It didn't have any problems until we hooked that up. Think that's possible?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Since I know how much everyone loves eye candy, here's some window shots for you to peruse...

 

BaseIgnitionOptions.jpg

 

SparkAdvanceTable.jpg

 

VETable.jpg

 

Yes it is set to inverted...I remember specifically looking for that because it's all over the Megamanual in !!!BOLD!!!.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know, I haven't changed that setting which is what confuses me about the VB burning up. The dwel wasn't that high and the spark is inverted. The only other thing I can think of it being is the jump box. I have a pull up resistor on the VR trigger and it might have over loaded with the pull up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Take the IAC stepper motor off, and just adjust the idle screw so that the engine gets enough air to idle. After you get all the bugs worked out, you can revisit the IAC control. Too many variables in an equation makes it very difficult to solve.

 

Hear is what I would do:

 

- Make sure ignition coil is wired correctly to VB921

- Get a stable and reliable spark

- Verify crank timing with timing light

- Start engine.

- Adjust idle screw on TB so that it idles

- Adjust required fuel to get smooth idle

- Verify that timing in the timing map matches the actual timing (with timing light). Change trim angle in spark settings so that actual timing matches the timing in the timing map

- Put the IAC back on and debug that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know now what blew my VB921. The secondary coil windings on my coil (negative to center) ohmed out at 17.2k, 5k more than the max recommended. I guess all the cranking pushed the old coil too far. I have a good one in from a parts car. Tested out good by the FSM specs. Once I get my new VB I should be good to go.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A higher resistance coil will draw less current and there fore is less likely to damage the VB921. Unless you damaged the coil when blowing the VB921. Double check your coil wiring before you put anew coil and VB921 in there.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Coil wiring is fine. Pin 36 and stock tach wire on negative and the stock ignition power wire is on positive. Should be good. With the nature of the VB though, if it's having to push the charge because of too much resistance then it might overheat that way. Just a theory.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Coil wiring is fine. Pin 36 and stock tach wire on negative and the stock ignition power wire is on positive. Should be good. With the nature of the VB though, if it's having to push the charge because of too much resistance then it might overheat that way. Just a theory.

 

Actually, it won't.

 

I = V*V/R

 

The higher the resistance, the lower the current, the less power.

 

My point is that the damage may have been done to the coil by the VB921 before the VB921 blew.

 

Disconnect pin 36 from the coil when you first power up the MS with the new VB921. Measure the voltage on pin 36, it should show a positive voltage. If it is very close to zero volts, you have a problem, and you will most likely burn out another coil and VB921.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Actually, it won't.

 

I = V*V/R

 

The higher the resistance, the lower the current, the less power.

 

My point is that the damage may have been done to the coil by the VB921 before the VB921 blew.

 

Disconnect pin 36 from the coil when you first power up the MS with the new VB921. Measure the voltage on pin 36, it should show a positive voltage. If it is very close to zero volts, you have a problem, and you will most likely burn out another coil and VB921.

So does ~3.3V count as a positive voltage that's not too low? I checked it on the stim (which is fed by a 12V power supply) and that's what I got.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...