Chartoo Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I found this spring in the oil sump and wondered where it was from. Any ideas cause I can't think of anywhere except some part of timing belt area maybe? It would have to be some area involved in the lubrication system wouldn't it? I first thought the little spring in the oil pump but that was still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Purple240zt Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Looks like an oil pump spring. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 With that kink in it... Timing chain tensioner spring for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 With that kink in it...Timing chain tensioner spring for sure. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chartoo Posted March 17, 2008 Author Share Posted March 17, 2008 Yep OK, yeah I checked the oil pump and it wasn't that. I thought it was something aroun the timing belt. So what's involved with replacing it? The engine runs quite smoothly (car isn't moving or anything, just starting engine with car on blocks) so I'd say the timing belt is ok. If this spring was missing, would the timing be off heaps or would the car still run ok? And to replace it, is it basically replacing the timing belt tensioner or can it be re-installed without replacing the whole unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted March 17, 2008 Administrators Share Posted March 17, 2008 Yep Ditto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 If the engine runs fine then someone probably dropped tht spring into the pan and replaced it. To get to the tensioner you have to pull the front cover off of the engine andd the timing chain. From there read your Haynes manual that you bought(right??). If the tensioner is missing the car would be making quite a racket I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chartoo Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 If the engine runs fine then someone probably dropped tht spring into the pan and replaced it. To get to the tensioner you have to pull the front cover off of the engine andd the timing chain. From there read your Haynes manual that you bought(right??). If the tensioner is missing the car would be making quite a racket I think. FSM actually, haynes manual would be nice with all the pics...but yeah, I'm thinking the engine would ru like a dog without that spring too. just wanted to confirm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlderThanMe Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Yeah I came SOO close to dropping that spring in my oil pan once. LOL That would be a pain in the rear end to get it. I guess an endoscope camera with a little claw would be very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
510six Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I pulled one out myself the last time changing oil (Radio Shack rare earth magnet JB welded to the drain plug). It was a royal PITA used a 2' pair of hemostats to get another spring back in and the tensioner in place while a friend took the slack off the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chartoo Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 well i will asume, unless anything goes BANG, that that spring is just the old one left behind cause the i just bought the car as a project and it hadnt been stared for seven years and it sat there and idled quite nice really after a warm up. just a slight miss everynow and then cheers everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240Z_Master Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 well i will asume, unless anything goes BANG, that that spring is just the old one left behind cause the i just bought the car as a project and it hadnt been stared for seven years and it sat there and idled quite nice really after a warm up. just a slight miss everynow and then cheers everyone For peace of mind I would just open the timing chain cover and redo it... cheap parts and what not, and an excuse to do some wrenching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noddle Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 why not just take the rocker cover off, and see if the chain has any tension on it (slack side - left hand side, looking from the front of the car looking at the engine), note: engine should not be running Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chartoo Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 both good ideas noodle and 240z_master thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240Z_Master Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 both good ideas noodle and 240z_master thanks Hell,for some reason you already ahve the oil pan off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 If I found parts of an engine laying in the oil pan, I would be very worried about the engine itself. Who knows what other things the PO didn't give a crap about, "The spring fell into the pan, it'll be OK." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
240Z_Master Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 If I found parts of an engine laying in the oil pan, I would be very worried about the engine itself. Who knows what other things the PO didn't give a crap about, "The spring fell into the pan, it'll be OK." I would listen to John, he knows a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimZ Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 If I found parts of an engine laying in the oil pan, I would be very worried about the engine itself. Who knows what other things the PO didn't give a crap about, "The spring fell into the pan, it'll be OK." I was thinking the same thing. Another thing, if the PO reassembled the tensioner without putting the spring back in, it might not be as obvious as everybody is making it sound. The engine would most likely run like that without making much additional clatter, especially if you are just checking with the engine idling. BUT you could have some very erratic chain tensioning going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chartoo Posted March 19, 2008 Author Share Posted March 19, 2008 i took of the lid and had a look at the chain. standing at the front of the car and looking at it the left side is tight but the right side is loose. i'm just gonna change it for peace of mind. although it did run fine and reved fine before. also i took off the sump to change the gasket cause it was leaking everywhere and i will need to take it over the pits in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noddle Posted March 19, 2008 Share Posted March 19, 2008 i took of the lid and had a look at the chain. standing at the front of the car and looking at it the left side is tight but the right side is loose. i'm just gonna change it for peace of mind. although it did run fine and reved fine before. also i took off the sump to change the gasket cause it was leaking everywhere and i will need to take it over the pits in the end sorry, may be I should have also said that using a socket / ratchet, turn the engine at the crank clockwise, to make the right side of the chain tight, then check the left side for slack, the left size is were the tenisoner is fitted. Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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