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tire size vs. rpm question (attn. Kevin Shasteen)


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I was thinking Kevin could answer this but thought it may benefit others and myself to post this on a forum.

 

Anybody else who can pitch in please do...

 

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Kevin...did you calculate my tire size vs. trap speed rpm?

 

I have an engine knock and I am curious as to how high I might have revved it the other night.

 

205/55/14's, 1/4 mile trap speed 110.8

 

I can measure the actual heighth of the tires tonight if needed.

 

Thanks for coming out, it was good to meet you!

 

I'll post this as a thread as well for everyones benefit.

 

RickB

 

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MPH x trans.ratio x rear ratio x 336 (divided by) tire height = RPM

 

If this isn't the formula you needed it still may help someone.

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GrayZee that link is AWESOME!

 

I've been looking for something thats simple and accurate such as that for along time.

 

THANKS ALOT!

Jason

 

Now I have to go cry because my predictions of high RPM at freeway speeds with a th350 3speed auto are MORE than justified...anyone want to donate a 200r-4 or 700r-4 to a needy recipient?? Im a nice guy...really smile.gif

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Rick,

 

Sorry I didnt see this earlier Rick, the weekend, Monday & Tuesday were rather busy for me.

 

The formula Austringer gave is the same I use. RPM = MPH x Gear Ratio x 336 (Divided) by Tire Diameter.

 

Your Tire Diameter came to 22.8" tall; that gave me 5788rpm's you were making when you clipped the 1/4 traps. For those of you whose Tach's work but not your Speedo's you can use this formula:

 

MPH = RPM x Tire Diameter/Gear Ratio x 336

 

There is also a formula for those who are thinking of changing their tire sizes & are interested in knowing what effect the new size would make. This formula is:

 

Actual MPH = New Tire Diameter/Old Tire Diameter x Indicated MPH

 

Lets say Rick wanted to go to (Which I know he does as he told me so) a 215/60/14. First you have to get the Tire Diameter in Inches...this comes to a 23.3" Tire.

 

Taking the Formula for "Tire Diameter Change" into mind, that would be:

 

Actual MPH = 23.3/22.8 x 110.8

 

The answer is 113.2 Actual MPH. So Rick, that tire change would give you a 113.2 mph instead of the 110.8 mph.

 

If you want to know what RPM you'ld be at w/the new tire size doing 110.8; simply work the RPM formula....I came up w/5664rpm's.

 

Earlier you ran 5788 & w/the new tire size at 110.8 your rpm's are now at 5664; only an RPM difference of 124. Not very much!

 

Consider going up to a 15" in tire size for racing? Lets say something mild...a 235/60/15 (May need Wheel Flares?); anyway that comes to a Diameter of 26.1"

 

Run the formula for RPM's at your 110.8 speed & your RPM's now change to 5056rpm's; I'ld say w/the 26.1" tires you are now more in your Cam's Peak Power Range & should give you a better/safer 1/4 trap speed!

 

Now, if you end up going thru your engine, due to your most untimely Knock, & beef up the engine w/new cam, forged pistons...and maybe alluminum cyl.heads....your peak power range will change & we'll have to play w/the formulas again.

 

Isnt it fun playing w/these #'s & it doesnt cost anything: its free? Any other questions...let us know.

 

Kevin,

(Yes,Still an Inliner)

 

PS: For those of you who are interested; we can take these formulas one step further. If you want to know what Gear Ratio's you need for the 1/4 trap (Overall gear Ratio-that is) you can use this formula:

 

Overall Gear Ratio = Tire Diameter/340 x RPM/MPH

 

[This message has been edited by Kevin Shasteen (edited March 14, 2001).]

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Kevin and Rick B, I have 235/60/15's on centerlines. RickB you have seen my purple z it's a 71. No flares needed. Just thought I would let you know.

Mike

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Rick,

 

I wanted to mention/suggest you watch your "Mean Piston Speed". If I remember correctly you mentioned your engine was basically a stock engine; exceptions being your Intake/Carb & the Nitrous(?); correct!

 

Take into mind the differences in Mean Piston Speed: Calculated @ Feet Per Minute (FPM)

 

1) Early Flatheads...no more than 2500fpm

2) Early V8's........no more than 3000fpm

 

Current Eng's-With Advances in Metalurgy

 

1) Cast Crank/Pistons...no more than 3500fpm

2) Forged Crank/Pistons & Heavy Duty Rods..no more than 3800/4000fpm

3) All out Kenny Bernstein Race Car...5000/6000 if only ran at a few sec's

 

You can figure Mean Piston Speed w/this formula:

 

Piston Speed in FPM = Stroke Inches x RPM/6

 

That put your death noll run of 110.8mph/5788rpm's @ 3357fpm...definately inching up on its maximum. Combine that w/the higher stress of Nitrous & having ran quite a few runs down the 1/4traps & your stock set up probably ran its course!

 

Time to Upgrade buddy! Good Luck & Have Fun.

 

Kevin,

(Yes,Still an Inliner)

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Originally posted by zfan:

Kevin and Rick B, I have 235/60/15's on centerlines. RickB you have seen my purple z it's a 71. No flares needed. Just thought I would let you know.

Mike

 

Mike,

 

What size rim are you using; 4 lug or 5 lug? Have you done any suspension mod's to the struts? Curious I am as I would definately like to go to a larger tire but wasnt sure as I'm not a body man...didnt really want to go to flares just yet!

 

Kevin,

(Yes,Still an Inliner)

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If it makes you feel any better, I am facing the same problem. I am running a 3.54 with 275/50-15 DRs (26") and at 5300RPMs in 3rd, I get 114mph and therefore have to shift into o/d. Problem is that my o/d is .67:1 and it drops me down to about 3700 causing the chip to switch to a different mode where it advances the timing and leans out the fuel until I get back above 4000. I need to go through the traps in 3rd and need a 3.36 AND taller tire to make it pass 120mph.

 

You have such a short tire to begin with, giving you up to 2" in diameter to play with. A pair of 225/50-15 would get you an inch in diameter and you could throw them on some Swastikas or something cheap. My 26" tire already gives me more of a rake than I want. I need to get some more solid runs logged then work with the chip maker to see if there is anything he can do below 4000 in o/d.

 

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Yep...it seems that tires tend to jump in size from the point i am at now. I would prefer not to go all the way to a 26".

 

BTW, I know that the turbo 6's are low rpm torque motors smile.gif

 

Also, did you hear the Greg Kring bought a Stage 2 motored car! He went a 11.30 something run at 129 mph on street radial TA's, pump gas and 15#'s boost!

 

On slicks he went a 10.06@138 if i am quoting him right!!!

 

 

 

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