Guest Anonymous Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 A friend is planting evil ideas in my head . . . . . . how hard would it be to stuff a 383 into a Z? A smallblock seems the logical choice, but I already have a built 383. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fl327 Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 isnt a 383 a small block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 A 383 is part of the B/RB family of Mopar big block V8's These motors are the 361, 383, 400, 413, 426Wedge, 426Hemi, 440. I left one out, lets see if anyone can fill in the trivia blank. Now a poked and stroked chebby 350 can be made into a 383, and this causes some confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Adkins Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 Originally posted by Don Howard:These motors are the 361, 383, 400, 413, 426Wedge, 426Hemi, 440. I left one out, lets see if anyone can fill in the trivia blank. Mopar 350 from the late 50's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 teh winnar! yeah, I wasn't gonna mention it since it might confuse the whole issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 hey you forgot to mention the 413 maxwedge III. atleast thats what i remeber them calling it. for some reason i remeber there being a 413 wedge and the 413 maxwedge that they produced for the dragracing. wasn't it the precursor to the race 426 hemi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auxilary Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Heh, I see Mr. Howard has finally registered a user account and posted here! Great to see you here, Don! Now, how about you go find yourself a nice 240z? It'd give you a good reason to come out to california again, and you got a truck to tow it back! ps. i'm NOT planting evil ideas in your head. You dreamt those up yourself - i was simply pondering what a Z could be like with a mopar block! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Ima gonna kick yer ass aux, next time I am on the left coast Now I am thinking about a 4.7L out of a Dak/Durango also. Grab the whole drivetrain and the electronics . . . should be interesting . . . . . . must finish current projects!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 I`ve read this thread, but did not see the question answered. has anyone here successfully transplanted the 440 into a pre 78Z? I have a friend with a 72 dart that runs consistent 11.20`s.(w/o nos) the car is complettely street legal with all stock interior. He wants to go faster, but is so happy with the reliability of his engine and trans that he doesn`t want to mess with them. He has been following my project and has finally decided to transplant his combo into a Z. He intends to use his current "elephant ear" engine mounts, and would like to know about the viability of using the fenderwell headers from his Dart. I suggested installing a mustangII crossmember, to eliminate the strut towers Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBC Z Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 I dont know about putting a big block mopar in a z but I have a 396 big block chevy in mine fits quite nicely I might add. I,m not sure what the width of the mopar big blocks are but I bet it will fit except the Hemi heads will probably be to wide. break out the tape measure and get with it . Its fun not having what everyone else does I will email a picture if you like the one I have is to big a file for this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majik16106 Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 I have long thought about some wierd mopar hybrid (albeit mine was not for a Z car) I had a 72 challenger with 440 andthe ole pistol grip 4 speed. (originally a small block 318 car) i LOVED it, but i got rid of it, but i had really wanted to plant a 727TF behind it and go draggin. I think I may have to do something like that some day when I have a mutual fund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest drahgonking Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 go to (ronruschman.tripod.com) he put a 440rb into his zcar. he shows mounts headers and trans mounts. also try( big block dart .com) they put big block mopars into very small spaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZR8ED Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Someone posted a link here in the nontech board to some crazy engines stuffed into small cars... I recall seeing a Austin healy bug eye sprite with a hemi bored to 477ci under a stock looking body (no flares) anything can be done for $$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage42 Posted March 15, 2004 Share Posted March 15, 2004 go to (ronruschman.tripod.com) he put a 440rb into his zcar. he shows mounts headers and trans mounts. also try( big block dart .com) they put big block mopars into very small spaces. Yep, Ron lives about a block away and he stopped by last night to look at my Z that is getting an LS6. Anyway, he's just about got the exhaust totally done (dual 3" all the way back) and isn't far from being fired up. I'm sure it'll be a handful when it's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted September 25, 2005 Administrators Share Posted September 25, 2005 As some of you know and Mr Savage has seen in person, my father Ron Ruschman, put this beast together and due to couple family issues, this car came into my possession 2 weeks ago. Mom really doesn’t like the radical Z car thing, (HATES the V-8 Z), and Dad has been slowly loosing his interest as well though he has not lost his yearning for performance, he has just shifted his efforts in a direction that both he and mom both enjoy. Back to the 440 Z…. The car is a 77 280 Z, nothing special here, just your basic garden variety Black 280Z, all the original Z car instrumentation is hooked up and working, Speedo, Tach, oil pressure with a oil pressure light added in side the gauge, water temp, volt gauge with charge light, fuel gauge, even the low fuel warning light works if you can believe that! The engine is a Mopar 440 wearing a Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, Edelbrock carb, Sanderson titanium coated headers, dual 3†exhaust all the way back, some factory Mopar performance cam that lopes pretty good at 800 RPM, and a host of other goodies on and in the engine as well. He also threw in a few extra goodies in case I or the person that buys the car from me wants to tame it down a notch, such as a standard Edelbrock Performer intake manifold and a milder cam to match the milder intake, complete carb tuning kit, and the list goes on. The tranny is a TF-727 tranny with manual shift body and the shifts are not hard at all, I personally feel the shifts feel perfect, not too soft and not a “BANG hard†shift either, it just shifts positively and it shifts as soon as you shift the gear lever. The diff is the original R-200 diff with 3.54 gears and welded spiders. “How does she drive†you are all wondering right? I have run 2 tanks of super through her now, and made one trip to the PIR Late Night drags for 4 passes. The only real issues I’ve noticed with this Mopar Z is the carb needs a lot of tuning, the steering effort is noticeably, but only slightly heavier, over the stock 280 feel, one of the exhaust pipes rattles a little against the body while it is loping at idle which is an easy fix, the center console is broke, again an easy fix, and the shift linkage needs adjusting as it will go into first gear once in while if I fiddle with the shifter. With this cam, the tranny could use a slightly higher stall torque converter which would make 2nd gear ideal for launching. Doing cookies in this 440 Z is WAY more fun in than any other V-8 Z I driven to date. Just put it in 2nd gear, blip the throttle and turn the wheel, of course feathering the throttle thto keep it form over revving and YEE HAA as it sling shots you twice HARD through each rotation... Exhaust volume wise, it is quieter than I’d expected, especially for dual 3†exhaust. I was able to carry on conversations with my oldest daughter all the way to PIR for the Friday night Late night drags and back last Friday night, over 35 miles each way, without having to yell at the top of our lungs. Did I mention the Carb needs tuning? I’m not a carb guy but Dad did supply a complete Edelbrock tuning kit for the carb when I got the car. Too bad I don’t really have the time to dial this thing in to bring out its full potential. As for performance, right now it does go fairly well, even with the carb being out of tune. It’s not a handful in its current state of tune, in-fact just cruising around town, I just leave it in third and it is very placid and docile, it actually reminds me of driving my Q-45 just a bit louder inside and of course with WAY more GO when the pedal s mashed. This V-8 is an asy car to drive around town, no quirks no bad habits other than the welded diff causes the inside rear tire to chirp in parking lots while turning real sharp. I honestly feel that once the carb is dialed in, and launched in 1st gear, there is NO DOUBT it will run low 12’s on street tires and mid to high 11’s with sticky tires at over 118+ MPH! without detracting from it’s mild around town manners. While playing around with the car over the past 2 weeks, giving people rides and just enjoying the car, the carb cleared up a couple times to give me taste of what kind of power she is capable of and during those times, this car is wicked fun and would definitely be a handful to hang to in the hands of an inexperienced driver with its MASSIVE Big Block torque as 3rd would scratch for traction at all RPM’s above 3500 just by mashing the throttle! At the strip last Friday I made all my drag runs launching in 2nd gear as I didn’t want to fiddle with the shifter on the line to get into first. Burn outs in the burn out box were a breeze, just hold the brake with the left foot, blip the throttle with the right foot and the tires are turned into fog. During all my runs, the engine was running with a slight surging and flat spots through the entire rev range as the time lips show, it definitely not up to it’s potential. Best run was a 13.5 @ 107 with 2.0 60’ ft time. My others were 13.6 and 13.7 @ 105-107 MPH As side note, my wife bought one of the New G-tech PRO SS, (aka Ghetto Tech, Rice Boy electronic windshield decoration, etc,) to use for tuning customers cars when access to a dyno is not available. I have been playing with it a little in the 440 Z, not sure if I trusted it in the least at first so I decided to take it along to the drag strip and compare its results to my actual times. I was surprisingly impressed with its accuracy. Less than 1% difference in 1/8 ET, 1/4 ET and 1/4 MPH on all 4 runs. G-tech showed consistent .07 of second slower 60' ft times than my actual 60"ft, (G-tech allows the user to set the amount pitch the vehicle exhibits from squatting during a hard launch to help dial in the 60' ft if the user so desires I left it at default), and the 1/8 MPH was optimist by exactly 2 MPH on all 4 runs. On 2 of my runs the 1/4 mil ET and MPH were within .03% and one of the 1/4 MPH was EXACT! Not too shabby for one those Rice Boy electronic windshield ornaments eh? Any how, while I was out testing this G-tech last week, during one my G-tech testing runs, the engine cleared up long enough for one decent run and that one cleared G-tech run showed 12.8 @ 113.7 MPH, all the other runs were mid 13's between 107-109, similar to last nights actual track runs and the car was running similarly with its flat spots etc. I still don't 100% trust the G-tech as it is real hard to find that much LEVEL straight pavement in Oregon and traction can be drastically different etc, even though it was so consistent and accurate at the drags, I'll chalk up the one good clean smooth G-tech run as just showing that the potential is there for this car to be much faster, it just needs to be tuned and being as I am NOT a carb guy and I don’t really have the time, I’ probably won’t be the one to dial it in, I'll just sell it is. I truly believe this car has the potential to run high to mid 11's with the sticky rubber at 118+ MPH once dialed in. Any how, yes the 440 Z is alive, and it is for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest traub83 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 hey you forgot to mention the 413 maxwedge III. atleast thats what i remeber them calling it. for some reason i remeber there being a 413 wedge and the 413 maxwedge that they produced for the dragracing. wasn't it the precursor to the race 426 hemi? hey sorry I think ya have it mixed up there was a 413 wedge, 426 wedge and the 426 maxwedge stage III that came in the 64-65 polara's and 300m's to my knowledge and according to my books they never made a stage 3 413 maxwedge... But then again those crazy guys at mopar did throw a couple special motors out that were hard runners and were pretty much never supposed to be made.. Much like the old school ford hemi If any of you remember one of those back in the day...?? Also a 64 stage 3 max wedge polara is one of my dream cars!!! whew there slick!! I think a big block mopar Z would be something very nice to see!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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