Guest bang847 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Actually it is part of a Economics Project http://dolphinsun.com/econ/timeline.htm It is fustrating to read IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bang847 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Oh.. not all the things on that timeline are related to Iraq. I was trying to scope out many aspects of the Economic slowdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denny411 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I believe that once Iraq is liberated, we will have an upturn caused by the lifting of sanctions and the expansion of free markets in Iraq. I also expect the price of gas/oil to come down, which will help improve consumer confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bang847 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Thanks for the insight. I was posting here to let some others know how much of a problem Saddam really is. I know alot of people (anti-war people) want to pin stuff to our current President which after some research about Iraq I now know is completely irresponsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETEW Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 President Bush has to have had one of the worst 4 year terms to deal with as a president. The economy is lagging, we had the twin towers go down to terrorim (the worst showing of terrorism in our country's history) and now a war in Iraq. He has dealt with everything very well in my opinion and deserves this countries respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 The terrorism problem and part of the economy is not really his fault. Iraq is his doing. He restarted this and it will be his undoing. He looks to be handling everything well, but check out some other sources of news other than US media to get the whole story. Afghanistan is a mess and he has yet to do anything to boost the economy and no, tax cuts aren't the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Well I disagree. I think you can point to Bush all you want, but he, not unlike the USA, is a very conveniant target. Afghanistan being a mess? Afghanistan was in worse shape BEFORE we went in there. People think this is gonna correct itself overnight. It just isn't that simple. Not to mention the fact that the UN bought into Afghanistan and hasn't spent SQUAT compared to what the pledged. Now, I'm gonna also do what the demacrats did when Clinton was in office and say that PART of the economic problem was looming on the horizon before Bush took office. 9/11 had a tremendous impact and put us squarly in the the middle of a ressession. Our financial district was SHUT DOWN for a week. The airline industry alone generates a TON of revenue and employement for the nation, and it is crippled right now. ALL of this is directly caused by the attacks of 9/11. As I stated before, I'm not a republican, but I also base my decisions on FACTS. GW Bush didn't put us in Iraq, Saddam did. Say what you will, but facts speak for themselves. When the American public SEES that BIO/Chem weapons ARE IN FACT in large quantities within Iraq's control what will you say then? I guess we should have sat back and waited for Saddam to use them, Huh?? I don't get it. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 We've known that Saddam has had those weapons for years. We knew he was a bad man after he released those weapons on his own people. Why now? What is so important now. The terrorism remark won't work with me either, because even if he was giving weapons to those groups it won't solve the problem. Those groups will go elsewhere. Can anyone answer "Why now?" Bush has put himself in Iraq. He didn't need to be so quick to act (That is assuming that there is no piece of incriminating evidence against Saddam that requires quick action. All the stuff that Gen. Powell presented the UN was nothing that no one didn't already know. In fact, I'm confident to say that Saddam has chemical weapons.). Bush and is administration could have lobbied for more political support in the UN and elsewhere and not necessarily for war either. Again, if we are to follow this policy of removing regimes, why isn't this policy followed elsewhere? As to my comment about Afghanistan, I just wanted to say that it is still a mess and we cannot lose focus there. If we leave it as is, you're going to have another Taliban in 10 years. I'm not asking for these things to change overnight. I wouldn't expect that to happen. I just want to make sure those areas are taken care of and built properly. You are right, it is much better over there than it was before we came. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 For 12 years we've been asking the UN to put some teeth into what they are supposed to stand for. Clinton made a half hearted effort because he didn't want a war, and his liberal friends, and the liberal actresses and singers he was banging didn't want a war. Now we have pretty conflusive proof that they are still up to their same tricks, can tie them to Bio and Chem, other WMD, and we can lay a money trail and support trail back to them for 9/11/01. Why not? For every why now, I'll say why not with GOOD reason. If this war was further into the calander year, I'd say "Good Move George. Posturing for the whitehouse!" But it is WAY to early for that and he knows. So throw out the politics... We've touched base on US agressive interest in oil in the other thread, so I won't rehash that. How about this: HOw about the fact that there is a ton of evidence that those who aren't cleared and who don't have to fill out financial disclosure forms, get reinvestigated and polygraphed on a very regular basis don't get to see??? What if there was enough evidence to fill up a warehouse... and what if that evidence was real and conclusive and confirmed that Saddam was not only in non-compliance, but had plans to use the stuff HERE? What if... The UN, the rest of the world, and atleast 30% of Americans still wouldn't listen. So, you ask Why now? I say Why NOT now... Give war a chance... Peace will follow. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 Why not now? People's lives are going to be lost, and already have, because of this. Ours are minimal, but I still worry about the Iraqi civilians. I very much do commend our government's efforts to minimize civilian casualities. If you look at the last time we were in the Persian Gulf, there was a ton of talk about how accurate our smart bombs were and how few civilian lives were lost. Reports are now coming out about how many times those missles missed their targets. Going back to my terrorism argument, that is an excellent reason for why not now. This is only going to fuel the hatred among those terrorists groups. I hope that we will not see another 9/11, but I fear we will and it will be much, much worse. That's why not. War is not something that should be tossed in the why not category. That's irresponsible and lacks any sort of reasoning. Until all the possibilities have been exhausted, war is not an option. Oh, forgot to add something. If the CIA knew about plans for Saddam to use those weapons over here, don't you think they would have at least hinted at that. If they were going to go through this no matter what, than this was the time of the year to do it. Its already 80+ degrees over there. Saddam wouldn't be one to place attacks on America, direct or indirect. He's a self-preservationist. He wants to stay in power for the power. He's not going to do put that in question. Iraq and the surrounding areas have a lot of history behind them, that I'm not even sure I can understand. It is complicated and there is no simple answer. War isn't that answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelly Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 Moridin, You must have missed something in an earlier post... I worked for CIA for 10.5 years before I became a contractor. Now I support another government agency in the intelligence field. My career with the agency has been cleaned up so I can say I worked for them on resumes and such. TRUST ME on this one thing: The American public has NO CLUE the amount of attempts the US stops by terrorists world WIDE in actions against the US and its interests on a daily basis. The American Public has NO CLUE just how many times the hard work of the intelligence field has averted disaster. There are no such thing as intelligence failures in my book. I'm done with this topic. Not mad, just can't defend myself or the direction of our country any further than I have. You either have faith, get it, or you don't. Pick one. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bang847 Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 I worked for CIA for 10.5 years I'll be careful what i say around Mike now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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