johnc Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-117-2190.jsp# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Z-rific Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 A conservative that I agree with. It's rare to see anybody chose logic over party lines any more. Now add in the ultra conservatives who are astounded at Bush's spending habits and problems loom over the horizon for Bush. I think Bush's Presidency will go down in history as one of the worst in recent memory. I think his record will be... Record spending for future Presidents to deal with... Lack of action concerning health care, oil prices, environment... Neglect of middle and lower class... Originator of Iraq quagmire which will prove to be a major problem for decades. Lives lost, money spent, enemies created, loss of ally support, loss of credibility throughout the world, fodder for terrorist recruitment, failure to successfully implement a democracy in Iraq. Failure to accept any responsiblity or mistakes... Record loss in American jobs... Failure to capture OBL... If Bush gets re-elected (looks like he will) my only hope us that some conservatives can get to him and talk some sense into him. The Cheney/Rumsfeld raod block is a tough one to get past. Just ask Colin Powell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeromio Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Now I'm wondering if John posted that as sarcasm? Either way, you're much better read than I am. I've never even heard of that site. Very well written articles, though clearly biased. I especially liked this one: Bush owes no one an explanation Interestingly, that article, and the Fukuyama one that John posted, make a few similar arguments, namely that the Bush administration (and Bush himself), have a polar, blind devotion to themselves. There are absolutely no mistakes, each and every decision was the exact right one. Furthermore, one cannot even hint at questioning these decisions, or else you are simply an Un-American, un-patriot. At any rate, the articles at that site would carry more weight if the site had a bit more balance IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 At any rate, the articles at that site would carry more weight if the site had a bit more balance IMO I hear this type of discounting from both sides and I think its just a way of ignoring the content. Just because an author has a bias doesn't mean what they say is wrong. (FYI... I'm not defending this particular article or any pioint of view.) You may not agree with Bill O'Rielly or Michael Moore, but sometimes both are right. Discounting anything they say is just a way of ignoring views contrary to your own. Now I'm wondering if John posted that as sarcasm? Nope. I posted it because it contrasted with some of my views and it made me think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Failure to accept any responsiblity or mistakes... Interestingly, that article, and the Fukuyama one that John posted, make a few similar arguments, namely that the Bush administration (and Bush himself), have a polar, blind devotion to themselves. There are absolutely no mistakes, each and every decision was the exact right one. Furthermore, one cannot even hint at questioning these decisions, or else you are simply an Un-American, un-patriot. The Dems did this to Bush about 4 months ago. For the life of me I can't remember what the subject was, but they asked him to say something on a subject, then turned it around on him and it was in EVERY paper the next day. You don't have to have that experience too many times to learn not to stick your neck out. I think Bush knows that mistakes were made, but what he doesn't want is headlines in EVERY newspaper in the country: "Bush Says That Low Troop Numbers After the Invasion Was Colossal Error." To me it just looks like the Dems are saying, "Mr. President, would you please give us a rope to hang you with." I think if I were in Bush's shoes in the 2nd debate I would have said the same thing. "I think there were mistakes made, I know I made some mistakes in my appointments, I do not want to call those people out." The last thing I would have done is to point to Abu Graib or conceeded that we might have been able to utilize more troops after the invasion. As to the war I think it there is ONE major problem with the war. We're trying to appease the Iraqis, and yet need to take military action in their country. We should be taking the action FIRST and doing what needs to be done, then try to appease them LATER. If that means the interim govt shouldn't have been propped up so soon, then fine. The interim govt was an appeasement to the EU, so that too could be characterized as the same mistake. Once again the US is fighting with one hand tied behind our backs in the name of political correctness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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