BillZ260 Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Been making a LOT of progress the past couple of weeks, which as of about 5 min ago, came to a sreeching HALT! So today, nice weather, out in the garage - decided, hey, i'll install that Tilton Hyd Throw out bearing today! So I'm reading the instructions seeing what's what, grab my flex plate and clutch disk of the shelf. Open the disk box and go to slide it on the trans for 'fun' and.....it spins freely!!! WTF!? The spline on the cluth is 1.125 diameter (?) w/ 26 splines, like it's supposed to be, the splines on my input shaft is 1" in diameter and has 14? 14? 14? Yes 14 splines. I just learned from Summit teck that that happened to come behind 4cy S10's! Info on the Trans: I bought this trans on ebay well over a year ago from a 'service man', upgrading his camero to a t-56 supposedly. He gave me the correct flywheel and correct bell-housing, so I'm confused. He listed as a rebuild w/ 27K miles on it after w/ receipts and all that. I still have the paper work on the deal I guess I can attemp to get back w/ Ebay or the seller. Can any one here help w/ trans identification? So I have all the parts needed for the T-5, the TO bearing, clutch disk, flywheel, pressure plate, just bought a new Slip yolk as well (at least it fit). I don't know if I should... Buy a WC t-5 (should have done in the first place i guess) See about rebuilding w/ a g-force kit or similar if possible? Some other option I have no idea that exists? I'm new to the Manual trans sceen and I guess this is my "opportunity" to learn all about them Trying to keep things in perspective, we found out one of our dogs has diabetes this week, and he went blind in about 2 days flat. So, I guess it could be worse. I do have a buch of parts coming in to finish up my motor, it's almost ready to bolt in and fire, that's why i'm bummed about the trans mostly, not because it's not what I thought it was, but it's going to slow my process. Thanks guys, I trust you'll help me find my way through this. Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scott Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Its possible the tranny came from a 6 cyl Camaro. 14 spline with too low 3.76 first gear and 220 lb/ft torque rating. Not a good match for a v8 Z. Hate to say it, but better now than after you get it installed. I'd search for a stronger V8 T5. I would assume if it has the tilted bell housing its from the Camaro and not the S10. Perhaps you can still use the bell housing and search for another trans. Sorry to hear about your dog. Bummer! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelman Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 There should be a tin tag on the tranny with an ID number on it. Get that number and go to http://www.5speeds.com/t5/index.html. That page has a database you can use to identify exactly which tranny you have. Before buying another T5 use that page to identify it to make sure it's what you want. When I bought my T5 (after 3 months of searching) I used it to determine the tranny I was looking at was from an 89 Trans-Am instead of the 83 Camaro the PO extracted it from. Good luck finding a GM WC T5, they seem to be as rare as hens teeth these days. Wheelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZ260 Posted May 1, 2006 Author Share Posted May 1, 2006 Sheesh, tag states that the trans is .... AMC 1982 Jeep CJ 258 L6. I'm contacting ebay and possibly this guy? will see. T5 suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelman Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Lakewood makes a bell housing that will allow you to mount a Mustang T5 to an SBC, might explore that option. I'm not sure what you would do for a clutch plate but I'm sure something is available to make it work. The bell housing is pretty spendy if I remember correctly but there are a ton of Ford WC T5s around, unlike the GM variant. Wheelman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZ260 Posted May 1, 2006 Author Share Posted May 1, 2006 Are there any T5's that are one step down from the TKO-500/600's? ($1800!!!) I don't think I need that much trans and I want something I can buy and use with ALL the parts I already have! I'm looking but not finding too much... Have 153 tooth flywheel - resurfaced $30 RAM - Pressure Plate NEW $150? Ram - 26 spline 10.5" clutch disk NEW $150? Tilton - Hydralic TO bearing and coupling for T5 NEW $420 Tilton - Master Cyl 3/4" NEW $55 Tilted chevy bell housing $Ebay Slip Yoke NEW $30 Lots of cash tied up in a trans I can not use.... UGH Keeping my eyes open! Now that I'm here I will get something that will work with these sub componenets and that will not wuss out behind my engine. I really would like to avoid dropping 2 grand on the box to do that though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastzcars Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Why don't you get a 14 spline clutch disc? That would be the cheapest way to go. Does the trans actually bolt up to the bell housing? Another thing you have to think about will be the the output yokes spline count as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZ260 Posted May 1, 2006 Author Share Posted May 1, 2006 Why don't you get a 14 spline clutch disc? That would be the cheapest way to go. Does the trans actually bolt up to the bell housing? Another thing you have to think about will be the the output yokes spline count as well. I thought about that but they don't have a 10.5" disk, I think he said the largest disc was 9"-5/8 or something like that for the 14 spline shaft. I have not a clue as to if that would hold up? What do you all think? If it's an option I'll gladly jump on it, I even wondered about getting the input shaft changed to the 26 spline? http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2005/12/T5Rebuild/index.php I noticed something while looking at all these T5 write ups on line too, and I'll double check when I get home, but the 'counter shaft bearing cup' on this trans I have looks like the WC version, any resident T5 gurus? I am confus-ed~! Seems like the more I read, the more confused I get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZ260 Posted May 1, 2006 Author Share Posted May 1, 2006 Looking at the 'counter shaft bearing cup' now that I'm home, it's def a Timken bearing in there! But does that mean it's 100% positively a WC T-5? If so why the 10 spline input shaft. I'm calling summit tech to see what's available. Just got off the phone w/ Summit 'tech', said that the trans came in Asto vans from 85-91 behind the V6 w/a 1" 14 spline shaft, so if that's what it is from, 88 on behind V6's (from what I gather reading) it's a WC. Hm... Only clutches Ram has for the 14 spline are 9-1/8 and 11". So I could return the PP and Disk I have, and trade them in for the 11" set, which looks like there is plenty of room for those on my flywheel. Need some Trans experts opinions now I'm really lost. Should I get the 11" clutch set up or take this thing in to a tranny shop and get a 26 spline input shaft, which is stronger right? ??? HELP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike kZ Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Its possible the tranny came from a 6 cyl Camaro. 14 spline with too low 3.76 first gear and 220 lb/ft torque rating. Not a good match for a v8 Z. Hate to say it, but better now than after you get it installed. I'd search for a stronger V8 T5. I would assume if it has the tilted bell housing its from the Camaro and not the S10. Perhaps you can still use the bell housing and search for another trans. Sorry to hear about your dog. Bummer! John Do what John said, get rid of it! It will not last behind a V8 even if it is a WC, it's a 6 cyl tranny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZ260 Posted May 2, 2006 Author Share Posted May 2, 2006 So the 6 and the 8 WC T-5's differ as well? I heard back from the seller, he states that it was in the car when he bought it, I beleive him. I checked and the trans has ATF not gear oil, so it does appear to be a WC. I really want to drive this thing and I'm running out of budget. (If Budget means everything I don't spend on gas and mortgage) I can baby it till the engine is brokent in, after that, i can't promise how long it will last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZ260 Posted May 3, 2006 Author Share Posted May 3, 2006 So any clue as to how long this WC V6 trans will hold up w/ a 11" clutch? It seems that this isn't the best solution but one that will get me rolling. I can save up and do a weekend swap when I find something better. Right now I am way more concerned about getting this car rolling. OR does anyone have a screaming deal on a T5? ANY T5 that will hold up better than the one I've got? I just want to put the engine in and drive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillZ260 Posted May 3, 2006 Author Share Posted May 3, 2006 Just got off the phone w/ Kevin at http://THEGEARBOX.ORG , (thanks Pete P)said I could swap out to the V8 gearset for $345, get the billit Key's for 72, and a rebuild kit if needed for another 124. Basically for about what I could find another trans, I could re-build this one so I think it's what I'm going to do, will delay me a bit but hopefully it won't take too long! I'll keep this thread as my build log. Changing the topic a bit.... He confirmed the Tag #177 was a w/c (which the link earlier in this thread suggested was from a Jeep?) along w/ the Timken bearing race on the front. So, now I get to learn how to rebuild a T5! Lemonade right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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