zeiss150 Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 So I'm still trying to figure out all of this MS stuff. I think I've read so much that my eyes are bleeding. I've narrowed it down to two choices and I'm not sure what would be best for my setup and most importantly my skills. which should I use, the stock CAS dizzy or the Ford EDIS? Here is my goal for my Z ... I have a 240 and I want to get 300 to the wheels. I have (or will have)these parts for my build F54 with flat top pistons HKS 2mm head gasket ARP studs N42 intake 440cc injectors Intercooler 3" down pipe 2.5" exaust stock exaust manifold T3 Z31 water cooled turbo 60mm TB megasquirt (I'm not sure which version cause I don't know how im gonna controll the spark yet) and relay board fuel pump new large fuel lines fuel pressure gauge Stock P90 head BOV and all the other stuff like oil lines and wires I want to be able to contoll timing and spark while achieving 300 RWHP I would like to stay between 10-15 lbs of boost Can I controll spark to the same extent with the dizzy as I can with the EDIS? Aslo (and this is the most important part) I have very little understanding of electronics, but I'm super mechanical, I can fix just about anything. I know how to solder and I took an electronics class in highschool but that was 20 years ago. So what do you guys think, Dizzy or EDIS? One more thing ... I want to run AC in my Z so ... does that elimiate the EDIS. or can I use the ZX 3 row damper to bolt the 36-1 gear onto? Thanks for your help, You guys rock! Matt- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators BRAAP Posted April 6, 2007 Administrators Share Posted April 6, 2007 Matt, Well I’m sure that as soon as you noticed that I posted that you know which way I’m going to steer you. EDIS!!!!! Pinpoint timing at all RPM and MAP points, no dizzy cap and rotor, etc… Timing map… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeiss150 Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hey Paul, I read and bookmarked your awesome post on EDIS, but do you think with my limited understanding of electronics I would be able to do it? also can I run the 3 row damper and still have AC (no power stearing). Thanks, Matt- P.S. Your photos are great- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HizAndHerz Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Matt, I'm working on getting the EDIS wheel from a 3.0L Taurus mounted on the back side of the damper. That way it could be used with any of the stock dampers without having to give up AC or power steering. The Taurus EDIS wheel is thinner than the version for the 4-cyl Fords. The center hole is smaller than the front engine seal and just needs to be enlarged to clear the part of the front cover that sticks out to hold the seal. The wheel can then be mounted to the center portion of the damper. I'm fairly sure that this can be done but I haven't scoped out how the pickup could be mounted. I'll try to take some pictures tonight. So, Paul, do you have an opinion on this option? Anyone else looked at this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeiss150 Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Z-ya mounted his 36-1 on a zx damper between the last pully. I guess the outer pully bolts on? If this is the case would I need to use the thinner 36-1 wheel from the taurus, or could I still get away with the escort wheel which is thicker? My girl friend wont ride in my Z with out A/C so ... I need at least two pullies (one for the altinator and one for the A/C). The way Paul (Braap) did it was awesome but I don't have any access to machineing equipment. Other than the VR and 36-1 problem how much of a pain in the a$$ is EDIS compaired to the CAS dizzy? What I mean is, is MS more difficult to wire and tune with EDIS. keep in mind I don't know anything about MS programing and tuning, but I'm willing to learn. I'm deffinatly leaning twards the EDIS... give me a push people! Matt- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badjuju Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 turning my dizzy doesn't do anything, Zeiss, it's an l28et out of an 81, which had an optical CAS, mounted on the crank. First time I tried to adjust my timing I thought I was stupid, motor wouldn't change or hiccup no matter if i went all the way CW or all the way CCW. I wouldn't recommend going this route if you've already got a cas dizzy, it was actually a major pain in the ass. However, now that I have my own CAS set up, I could go to coil on cyl if i wanted, pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeiss150 Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 isn't MSnS suposed to controll timing and spark with the CAS dizzy, or do I have that totally wrong? Matt- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roostmonkey Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I would consider a larger turbo to achieve your 300 whp goal.Everything else looks to be in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeiss150 Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share Posted April 7, 2007 Roostmonkey, I figure I'll start with the t3 and see how I like it. I can put a bigger turbo on pretty easily, go get a Holset 35 or something like that, but I have this one and it was only $50 so i'll just start small and build from there. Any stories of success from an EDIS install on a 240? Matt- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z_Dust Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I went the dizzy (from a 83zxt) route. It is so simmple, I think it was like four wires from the dizzy and thas it. With the relay board even easier. EDIS is probably better performance wise, more precise. It works well for me and the mod required only two jumpers on the back of the board. Clearly marked and explained. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proxlamus© Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 im all dizzy and prob in the 300rwhp + range with my Holset just the altitude is killing me.. 20% loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett76Zt Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 EDIS all the way! Get that distributor out of there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearheadstik Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I'm now using Braaps old setup with a holset HE-351...set up my edis wheel on pulley for A/C for like 50 bones...Works great so far...see my 280 gallery for pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoc Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 I'm in the process of doing an EDIS setup myself. I'm headed out of town tomorrow for a few days (Go Red Sox!) then I'll be back here in town hard at work trying to get my EDIS setup going with my MS I from DIY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeiss150 Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share Posted April 7, 2007 Ok I'm gonna go EDIS it seem that the wireing isn't to hard, and with your help I should be able to get it installed. Is a 60 amp zx altinator enough power for MS, fuel pump,wb O2, temp sensor, map sensor, radio, blinkers, head/tail lights,brake lights, EDIS,and anything eles electrical that I'm forgetting. I check my altinator this morning and its putting out a solid 14.25 volts at the battery. Also how much of the stock 240Z wireing harnes do I have to mess with? Can I just run MS next to it without tying into it at all? I'm going to have the relay board also. Thanks Matt- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeiss150 Posted April 9, 2007 Author Share Posted April 9, 2007 bumb. No answers for my questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proxlamus© Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 yes the alternator is fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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