spent Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 For those interested, I contacted UpRev and they said that they could remove NATS and "other things" per request. They didn't give me a price, but this could make things quite a bit easier for those who are keyless/ignitionless. I assume they could also remove any error codes the CPU is spitting if you were to remove pieces of the BCM, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40flash Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 For those interested, I contacted UpRev and they said that they could remove NATS and "other things" per request. They didn't give me a price, but this could make things quite a bit easier for those who are keyless/ignitionless. I assume they could also remove any error codes the CPU is spitting if you were to remove pieces of the BCM, etc. I found a company on Ebay from Florida that advertises that they can remove the NATS from your ECU for $450. They can re-do your engine wiring loom by adding labeled wires that you can then hook up to 12v, 12v switched and a ground and send it back to you as nearly a plug & play. $450 for that as well, so $900 complete. Maybe this is the same guys you are speaking of. He identifies himself as Doug@zfever.com Has any of you dealt with him before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spent Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I found a company on Ebay from Florida that advertises that they can remove the NATS from your ECU for $450. They can re-do your engine wiring loom by adding labeled wires that you can then hook up to 12v, 12v switched and a ground and send it back to you as nearly a plug & play. $450 for that as well, so $900 complete. Maybe this is the same guys you are speaking of. He identifies himself as Doug@zfever.com Has any of you dealt with him before? Coincidentally, ZFever uses UpRev. UpRev is a tuning software for the VQ35de engine. They (zfever) seem well put togethor and all, but I did read this horror story over on nicoclub about them. About half way down, myS13wantsaVQ35 tells about his dealings with Zfever, posted below... http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=207033&page=11 Hey this what happened to me when I took my car to Zfever to a vqswap done. This is how it all started; I found the number and information for Z fever on line and gave the owner' date=' Doug, a call. I asked him about doing a motor swap: 2004 Nissan 350z –VQ35DE in my 1990 Nissan 240sx S13. He said it would be easy. We talked about it for a little while and he told me that he had done them before. He said there was an S13 in his shop at that moment with the same swap done with a twin turbo set up that he put on himself. We talked about all of the parts needed to do the swap and he said he would use all of my stock parts to include the ECU, throttle body, wiring harness, and dash cluster. He said that his shop would custom make all of the other parts needed to do the swap. Then we talked price; he said that it would not exceed $2500. The last thing we talked about was time frame to do the job; he said he could have it done in three weeks. We set a date for me to drop off the car. I took the car, motor, transmission, and all of the extra parts I have for the swap to his shop one day late of my appointment. I had already called and said I was running late and he said to bring the stuff in the morning of the next day. We got there to drop off the stuff and Doug is not at work and no one there knows a thing about my car or that I am dropping it off. I unload all of the parts and unload the car. I spoke to an employee named Major until Doug showed up. Major told me that they had never done that swap before. Yet when Doug got there he told me they had done one before. I tried to show Doug where all of the parts were, but he tells me that Major already knew. Again, we talked about price and he told me that it would not go over $2500 and that he would have it done in three weeks. I pay Major $2000 in cash, which is what Doug told me to bring. I ask once again about the bill and I am told that it will not exceed $2500. I started calling after about a week to see if things were going okay and if I needed to send him any parts I did not take him. I was told things are going fine and to send him an e-mail for him to keep me up to date via e-mail. After about a week and a half he tells me that I am missing a security ring on the steering column. He said it was a light where you would put the key in to start the car. I knew this was not true because I was driving my 2004 350z at the time and looked to check - there was no light around the key. I also took the complete steering column to Tampa with the car. I told Doug this and he asked where the column was; if he had even started on my car at that time he would have already known exactly where it was – in the trunk. Then I got an email saying I was missing the rear cam sensors, which I know were there when I took the car and parts to him. He said he had found an extra set and would keep going with the car. After this incident, he started getting really short with me when I called or sent emails asking for any updates or pictures. About one week after the date I was told the car would be read, I called and talked to the employee who was working on my car to ask how it was going. This employee informed me that he was wiring up an AEM stand alone e.c.u. and not using my stock e.c.u. I told him right away that I did not pay for this $1950 e.c.u. to be put in my car. He told me that Doug told him the whole time to wire up the AEM e.c.u. He had not said a word about the stock one being used in the car. The employee then told me that it was not going to affect the amount of money that I had to pay - Doug just wanted that car out of his shop. After another two weeks of waiting I was told my car was ready to pick up. We headed for Tampa, Florida from Augusta, Georgia (a 10-hour drive). I took all of the Nissan parts I own with me as a previously discussed trade. We got there around 5pm and the car was not there - Doug had to go pick it up from an alignment shop. We waited for him about an hour at the shop. He pulled in with the tires rubbing in the fender wells. He wanted to roll the fenders and change out the exhaust that I had brought him to put on my car. However, he wants to do it the next morning and asks if we can just get a hotel room nearby, then pick the car up in the morning. I agreed to be there at 9:30am. The car was still not ready when I arrived at 9:30am. We had to be on the road no later than 11am, and we were told that would be no problem. At this time I was told that the cam timing was not working properly because they did not have the correct program for the AEM e.c.u. I was also told that it would be retuned for free by Glenn in Atlanta, Georgia whenever I could take my car to him. This would be a three hour drive. Then I got the bill which I was told would not exceed $2500 the whole time Doug had my car. The bill was $6500. I was not ready for that at all. We discussed everything. Then Doug told me that all of the extra work is what caused the price to increase. I gave him all of the parts he did not use for the swap and all of the extra Nissan parts I had. I gave him parts for an S13, which is a 1989 to 1994 Nissan 240SX; and an S14, which is a 1995 to 1998 Nissan 240SX, which included: 2 motors - KA24de, two S13 5 speed transmissions, one S14 5-speed transmission, one S13 e.c.u., one S14 e.c.u., one 350Z e.c.u., two 300ZX wheels, one S13 dash cluster, one S14 dash cluster, one 300ZX dash cluster, one 200SX dash cluster, one 350Z steering column and steering wheel with air bag, three 350Z digital gages, one S14 driveshaft, one S14 master clutch cylinder, one set of S14 clutch had lines, one S14 slave cylinder, one 350Z radiator, and many more small parts. He then took $1500 off of the bill. I paid the rest of the bill with two credit cards: $2000 on my employers credit card (which is being disputed), and $1000 on my personal credit card. I get in my car to drive to the gas station because the tank was empty. It ran out of gas before I could get out of the parking lot. They put some gas in it and it still would not start. They replaced a fuse and it was up and running. I tried to get gas again but the car does not make it across the street to the gas station before it shots off. I waited about 20 minutes for them to walk over and get it running again. After they worked on it for an hour or so, I tried again to get some gas. It shut off in the same spot. Then I waited 30 minutes before they came to tow my car back across the street. After they worked on it for another two hours, I tried again to get some gas. I made it to the pump, but it would not start after I put gas in the car. We got it back to the shop yet again and they spend about 3 hours working on my car. The mechanic finally figured out that when Doug had drove my car he bottomed out so hard that it ripped out the fender liner and destroyed the body wiring harness in the driver’s side fender well. They did not fix this, but patched it up good enough for me to make it home. About the time that was finished, it was 6pm – we had a 10-hour drive home. After I am well on the road, I notice what all is wrong with the car, but we made it home some how. Here is a small list of things that do not work and should: Cam timing, speed odometer, temperature gage, front and back defrost, reverse lights, horn, electric fans on radiator (the ones he put on the car are falling apart). The car is out of tune and not many people know how to tune it so I will have to go to Atlanta to get it running correctly. Also, when he rolled my fenders Doug put two big dents in the rear panels of my car and destroyed my front two fenders. I was a quoted $1889.57 to have the body and body harness fixed that Doug messed up. Glenn, the guy who is supposed to retune and rewire the e.c.u, is working on a quote for that. He said after buying the correct fuel injectors for my car and wiring up the cams, which was never done, the bill should be around a $1000. I will send in the paper work as soon as I get one from Glenn at Vision Performance (706-896-0030). To recap: Doug lied to me from the start. He had never done this swap before and all of the custom parts he was going to make on hand at his shop he actually bought from a web site (vqswap.com). After all of this, my car needs a lot of work to the body (which Doug damaged) and the engine needs to be re-wired and tuned to run correctly. I am only asking for $2000 of the $4000 I was overcharged. The bill went from the original $2500 to $6500. $6500 Amount of Bill: Paid as follows $2000 cash 07/31/07 $1500 credit for parts 09/07/07 $2000 Platinum Plus #3706 09/07/07 $1000 Personal credit card 09/07/07 T[/quote'] Now, keep in mind, this was when the whole VQ swap thing was in its infancy and not a whole lot of people were knowledgable about the VQ and all of the wiring required. That does not, however, excuse their actions and if I were to ever deal with them, I would certaintly be a tad weary because of that story. I did find this video on youtube the other day though, which looks very, very encouraging... When you emailed Zfever, did you ask, or did they tell, what exactly did you need to provide them as far as wiring goes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Challenger Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Some people are idiots when they pay for stuff like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40flash Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Coincidentally, ZFever uses UpRev. UpRev is a tuning software for the VQ35de engine. They (zfever) seem well put togethor and all, but I did read this horror story over on nicoclub about them. About half way down, myS13wantsaVQ35 tells about his dealings with Zfever, posted below...http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=207033&page=11 Now, keep in mind, this was when the whole VQ swap thing was in its infancy and not a whole lot of people were knowledgable about the VQ and all of the wiring required. That does not, however, excuse their actions and if I were to ever deal with them, I would certaintly be a tad weary because of that story. I did find this video on youtube the other day though, which looks very, very encouraging... When you emailed Zfever, did you ask, or did they tell, what exactly did you need to provide them as far as wiring goes? Yes. All they claim to need is the engine wiring loom and the ECU. I had ran across that horror story post a while ago but hadn't put it together that it was the same guys. The video does help. The more I research, the more I get cold feet. I have the VQ and the ECU, engine wiring loom, engine bay wiring loom but no under dash loom. Without the under dash loom I have no diagnositc capability I presume. I don't have a car to put it into yet. How do I know I can get it to run right? What about all the sensors like the 4 in the exhaust at $150 each? I'm about to give up on the whole Idea and sell my VQ with 6spd. The fabrication is a piece of cake for me. Been doing that all my life. The massive amount of electronics has me petrified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spent Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Yes. All they claim to need is the engine wiring loom and the ECU. I had ran across that horror story post a while ago but hadn't put it together that it was the same guys. The video does help. The more I research, the more I get cold feet. I have the VQ and the ECU, engine wiring loom, engine bay wiring loom but no under dash loom. Without the under dash loom I have no diagnositc capability I presume. I don't have a car to put it into yet. How do I know I can get it to run right? What about all the sensors like the 4 in the exhaust at $150 each? I'm about to give up on the whole Idea and sell my VQ with 6spd. The fabrication is a piece of cake for me. Been doing that all my life. The massive amount of electronics has me petrified. When I emailed them, he presumed I was asking about a 240sx swap (well, I am actually) and he said the stock gauges would not work. If you are serious about selling all of your VQ stuff, let me know. I would seriously consider taking it off your hands. From what is sounds like, you have all the necessary pieces, now all you need is the will power . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40flash Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 I am not quite to the point of selling it yet. I do need to research the obd11 diagnostic port and if I need it. I assume I do. If I do then I assume I need the under dash wiring loom. Anybody know for sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankai Dan Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hey Emwhyrohen. Since you've had a full track season, I was wondering if you had any oil issues so far(starvation in corners, heat, etc.)? Or is a bigger sump in the future? Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VQSlider Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I just went to Z-Fever for my swap. I did it all on my own. The NATS removal really works and their harness conversion is great. Doug and MArtin are VERY helpful on the phone. I ended up buying my mount kit through them but they got it from "vqswap.com" (Which is a horrible company IMO), but the Z-Fever guys are great. They are really busy down there but still take time to work with you over the phone. Check out http://www.mckinneymotorsports.com for the mount kit. I didn't use them, but they have a better price. I'm just looking to get a custom y pipe done to hook up to my s13 cat-back and I gotta make a cowl hood for clearance. The crappiest part is steering shaft clearance. If you want to see my video just go to ebay.com.... then type in "vqswap" and search. It's the only listing there for zfever... but they posted my video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J7BNfBWQMg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VQSlider Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Oh and they provide the wiring you need to hook up your stock gauges... you just need a j30 rear for the ABS sensor signal and a tach signal converter and speed signal converter. Guess what? They even patch in an OBD2 plug (Which is how they reprogram the ecu) but I ran a scanner off it and got real time information. I just think mine is running really rich because of the Catalytic o2 sensors aren’t plugged in. I ran into stock 350z cat clearance issues against the frame rails... gotta get them modified. I'm currently building a "car-domain" but been kinda busy around the house, so that will come about eventually… Overall I wanted to provide a REAL experience with z-fever and let you know that their ecu and wiring is the real deal. NO MORE FAILSAFE! And no $2k AEM crap! WOOT! FTW! I’m also running the rev-up engine…. Cam timing on the intake and exhaust… 7k red-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spent Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 What all did you have to provide them and what did it cost you without the mounts? Also, how much more hood clearence do you need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMWHYR0HEN Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hey Emwhyrohen. Since you've had a full track season, I was wondering if you had any oil issues so far(starvation in corners, heat, etc.)? Or is a bigger sump in the future? Dan No oil issues with my engine (06). Maybe a cooler in the future since I bypassed the stock one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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