280z4me2 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Couldnt find anything in the search about this. I have plans to lower the care 1-2" but I will need the coilovers for wider tires in the rear. Anyone running coilovers without camber plates? How low did you go until the tire wear was really an issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Running the plates will get you an 1 or 1.5 inches lower without moving the spring perch at all. It's a good thing, and you should do the plates and the coilovers, especially if you don't want to section the struts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockerstar Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 You can also modify your stock spring perches with a little cutting and welding and some tubing of the appropriate diameter. Like Jon said, adding camber plates will gain you some more clearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280z4me2 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Still in the learning process. I cant invision how stock springs and shocks would fit on the camber plate. Being that there are three spring bolts on top of the shock tower for the spring rubber boot that I dont see on a camber plate setup. Are you suggesting raising the spring perch and cutting the springs? Or are you suggesting sectioning the strut tube alone with stock suspension? Why would you not recommend coilovers with no camber plates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockerstar Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I would recommend the ground control kit with modified stock upper spring perches if you don't want camber plates. If you just don't want to cut your shock towers, John Coffey (johnc on here) sells a biscuit style kit that doesn't require any sheet metal to install. He can hook you up with the collars and springs if you need them too. Camber plates aren't designed to be used with stock springs. In my opinion, if you're going with coil overs you should section the struts at the same time. A drop that doesn't require sectioning of the struts can easily be had with a set of lowering springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280z4me2 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) With coilovers, are the three stock spring bolts on the shock tower no longer used? Just the one shock bolt holds it in? I found a small pictorial where it looks like the guy used ground control kit with no camber plates. Just grind off the stock perch, shorten the shock tower and weld in threaded sleave. Main reason for this swap is for tire width. Doing a 350 swap and want height adjustability with the widest tires possible. no flares. Also a somewhat stiffer sportier suspension. Edited February 1, 2011 by 280z4me2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockerstar Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 If you don't go with camber plates you'll likely use the stock three bolt insulator with a modified version of the stock upper spring seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randy 77zt Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 i dont run camber plates in back .but i have coil overs.the aluminum spring seat rides on the old rubber spring isolator.no problems.i had camber plates but the monoball was rattling and it drove me nuts-those things were right behind my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280z4me2 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Is the width of the old spring isolator smaller then the width of the coilover spring? Do teh springs wrap around like the stock springs do? I am confused how the coilovers mount to the shock tower. Is it just the single shock bolt? Also, I have been looking at shocks and some look to have a spring perch on them. What are these used for if the spring perch is welded on the strut tube from the factory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 The coilover either uses a small top hat which fits up inside the stock rubber isolator, or you use a camber plate or some other similar monoball type of setup on top. Those are the two choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280z4me2 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Ok, what about the shocks? Why are some pictures with what looks to be spring perches on them? Also, Do companies sell shorter shocks for coilovers or are they not really needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 They're just showing a generic picture of a strut, lots of struts have the spring perch built in, the Z has an insert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
280z4me2 Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Can you explain to me how how the tension control rod kit in this list allow camber adjustments...??? STAGE 3 takes adjustability a step further. 1. New outer tie rod ends 2. New ball joints 3. Polyurethane bushings and Gmachine control arm bushings and TC rod kit (these allow camber adjustment front and rear and also toe adjustment in rear) 4. Repack/tighten front wheel bearings 5. Replace rear wheel bearings if needed 6. Aftermarket front and rear swaybars 7. Coilover spring conversion to 2.5" springs. Street springs generally under ~250 in/lbs. 8. Aftermarket shocks (Tokico HP, Tokico Illumina, Koni Red) 9. Bumpsteer spacers 10. Biscuit style bolt in camber/caster plates (EMI, DP racing) 11. Strut tower bars front and back, preferrably triangulated to the firewall in front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 G machine bushings allow camber adjustment front and camber/toe adjustment rear, and their TC kit just frees up the TC rod and allows it to move smoothly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ls240sx Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 can you still get G Machine? how much adjustment do they give you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMortensen Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 MSA has them, not much adjustment. Maybe a degree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ls240sx Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I do not want to jack this thread but i am also building coilovers for a daily driver and i am trying to decide whether to go with stock strut tops and bushing type camber adjusters or TTT tops. Do you think that the bushing type will give enough adjustment front or rear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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