Guest tom sixbey Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 can someone who's had success creating a well-balanced 5.0 swap post up the basic differences between their work and the JTR chevy swap? - ive read the jtr book many times, but i'm starting to think about a 5.0 due to the light weight.. - we really need to come up with an "add-on" for the JTR book that would describe the ford swap process.. - please, somebody - post away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueovalz Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 What do you mean by well balanced? My 302 is externally balanced (LOL). There are a very few of us that have done this swap, and I think a different approach was taken on each one being no "kit" exists (that I know of) for this. I'm sure "we'll" be glad to answer any questions. As far as the tranny part, I am currently re-installing my T5 due to a minor problem with the hydraulic T/O bearing, and this time I will document all the parts fabricated/purchased with photos for future questions. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueovalz Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 By the way Tom, I live just a tad SW of you and go to Memphis quite often to see my boy going to school up there. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scca Posted July 11, 2001 Share Posted July 11, 2001 yes we have all done it slightly different. to date there are 4 running and one in process (mine) Dan - FI 5L blue 240 in Fla)bone stock AL - carbed-240, with the Psteering Bernard- 280 with injected 5L Terry- the least stock of the pack. Dans mounts go between x-member and frame, havent seen Bernards (FIRE) . ALsils are likely the easiest to copy. mine are similar to his but different design. they locate of the frame rail as well and bolt thru. as for a kit- its VERY complicated when compared to the JTR chevy . the chevy doesnt require welding but this does 4 sure. not sure what Bernard did for steering but both Dan and I used a heim and a additional universal to relocate the steering shaft to clear the headers. in this regard Dan is the pioneer- first one i heard of that got a injected 5L running. i am copying the way he did the tranny as well with tilton 61.601 and 61.612 bearing and sleeve with 7/8" master for the clutch. i am painting mine engine comp today and hope to be installing the motor 4 the 5th time on the weekend..will take pics as it goes together. and then onto the wiring..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tom sixbey Posted July 12, 2001 Share Posted July 12, 2001 thanks for the replies guys - hey terry, i'm currently in school at UofM myself - where's your son going to school? My parents live in texarkana, so i pass through little rock a lot myself on the way there (in fact i'm in texarkana right now!) when i finally get started on a zcar, i'll have to drive by and show it to you. - oh BTW i meant to say weight distribution when i said "well balanced" - sorry for not being more clear... take it easy fellas... [ July 12, 2001: Message edited by: tom sixbey ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firebern Posted July 13, 2001 Share Posted July 13, 2001 I have the stock steering I used F150 manifolds not headers. My goal was to make this the cheap and easy way. Here's a list of what I had to buy: Hi Volume fuel pump(55gph from Holley), used 88 F150 + 64 Comet manifolds, Crown Victoria water pump, Short serpentine Belt, flex lite 15 inch fan, manifold gaskets, some wire connectors and... A **** LOAD OF SCREWS AND SCRAP METAL!!! Later, Fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tom sixbey Posted July 13, 2001 Share Posted July 13, 2001 thanks for the response firebern - could you tell me how built your motor is and how fast your going? - i've heard a pretty stock 5.0 and T5 will propel an early z to a 13.2! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74_5.0L_Z Posted July 13, 2001 Share Posted July 13, 2001 My 1974 260Z with a stock 5.0L / T5 has run a 13.21 @ 103.6 mph on street tires. With drag radials, the car would easily be in the 12's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firebern Posted July 13, 2001 Share Posted July 13, 2001 Well, I didn't take it to the race track yet, I want to be sure every thing is secure. The engine feels like it's got at least 3/4 more power than the stock l28 with flat tops and n42 head. I still need to make and install a strut brace(from scrap metal). Later, Fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firebern Posted July 13, 2001 Share Posted July 13, 2001 Indeed, I didn't expect to gain as much power as I did. I thought my L28 was pretty good. The frame needs to be strengten. I should look at it this weekend, I am particularly curious to see if the rear diff. is holding tigth. I am thinking of reinforcing its mounting points. Then I'll be thinking of suspension and tires. No grip, no speed. Thanks, Fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pparaska Posted July 14, 2001 Share Posted July 14, 2001 Cool, sounds like you took the first ride! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 I've seen a website detailing a 302 in a 240Z. It used Mid 70's 351W exhaust manifolds without moving the stering column AIR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tom sixbey Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 i also saw a sight that used some type of shorty headers without moving the steering shaft... the steering shaft issue is the one thing that's scaring me away from the ford swap.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyZ Posted July 20, 2001 Share Posted July 20, 2001 On ZCarsOnLine.com / 1UpAutomotive.com did a swap an had pictures--not sure if they are still up anymore. Pretty good pics of the mounts and stuff--they were using a Cobra motor and dubbed it the "Cobra Z." What else? Davy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
74_5.0L_Z Posted July 23, 2001 Share Posted July 23, 2001 I like some of what I saw on the CobraZ site. Some other things I dislike. What I like: 1. I like the simplicity of their mounts. Mine are more complicated. What I dislike: 1. The engine is too far forward. About 2" further forward of mine. It looks like the reason for this was the factory shorty headers. 2. The engine is too high and at too much of an angle. Again I think this was too allow use of the factory headers. The datsun differential is mounted at approximately 5 degrees nose up, so the engine should be the same. From the photos on the site the angle looks greater. My engine is mounted at 2.5 degrees nose up, and the tail differential has been raised to match. The high mounting position of the CobraZ and the large angle will prevent use of the factory 5.0 clutch fan. 3. The CobraZ will need to run a remote oil filter. 4. The cobraZ will need a hood scoop, and/or a tiny air cleaner. 5. The T-5 shifter will not be aligned with the shifter holes in the floor or console. One more thing Cobra engine have factory roller rockers; the engine shown on that site does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLKMGK Posted July 24, 2001 Share Posted July 24, 2001 Just as an aside - those factory roller rockers were junk. Sourced from Crane too I might add! I ran into about 5 Cobra guys at a show once and they were all talking about the rockers, all but one of them had had a failure of some sort. Seems the pot metal they were made of wasn't too good if you beat on the motor much. I think Crane may still sell those - do yourself a favor and spend a little bit more on good ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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